based on the information below, who's life is this describing?
Conception: By a virgin.
Mother: Meri.
Foster father: Seb, (Jo-Seph).
Foster father's ancestry: Of royal descent.
Birth heralded by:The morning star.
Birth announcement: By angels.
Birth witnesses: Shepherds.
Age at rite of passage ritual: 12
Break in life history: No data between ages of 12 & 30.
Age at baptism: 30.
Subsequent fate of the baptiser: Beheaded.
Result of temptation: Resists temptation.
Close followers: Twelve disciples.
Activities: Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. He "stilled the sea by his power."
Transfigured: On a mountain.
Key address(es): Sermon on the Mount.
Method of death: By crucifixion.
Accompanied by: Two thieves.
Burial: In a tomb.
Fate after death: Descended into Hell; resurrected after three days.
Resurrection announced by: Women.
Future: Reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.
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Mother: Meri? Not Mithras, not Osiris, not Horus, must be a misspelling of the most common name in Roman Israel, Mary.
Foster father: Seb, (Jo-Seph). Those names do not translate as such. Add to that that Seb isn't even a person in Egyptian mythology. However, Joseph is the father of Jesus.
Foster father's ancestry: Of royal descent. Joseph's line does not validate Jesus because of the Jehokiam problem, so it is of little importance, Jesus's royal descent is from Mary.
Birth heralded by:The morning star. Don't know, not Jesus.
Birth announcement: By angels. Jesus.
Birth witnesses: Shepherds. Jesus.
Age at rite of passage ritual: 12. Not Horus, not Mithras, not Osiris, not Dionysus, not Jesus.
Break in life history: Not Horus, not Mithras, not Osiris, not Dionysus, not Jesus.
Age at baptism: 30. Not Horus, not Osiris, not Mithras. Jesus and Dionysus were both baptized, however, Dionysus was baptized with air from a fan and baptism is an ancient Jewish practice.
Subsequent fate of the baptiser: Beheaded. Yah, John the Baptist was beheaded, Dionysus's wasn't.
Close followers: Twelve disciples. Horus had sixteen at one point, Jesus had twelve though, so I'm going with Jesus.
Activities: Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. He "stilled the sea by his power." Not Horus, not Mithras, not Osiris, not Dionysus, but Jesus did.
Method of death: By crucifixion. Not Horus, not Mithras, not Osiris, not Dionysus, think I throw in that Krishna wasn't either, but Jesus did.
Accompanied by: Two thieves. Not Jesus, he likely had four. Besides that none of the other people did either...
Transfigured: On a mountain. Moses, Elijah, and Jesus are the only ones to have ever been transfigured because as you may notice, the event is entirely different here than anything else in other religions.
Fate after death: Descended into Hell; resurrected after three days. Out of Jesus, Mithras, Horus, and Dionysus, Jesus is the only one that died, Osiris died, but he remained dead. There is no record of Krishna ever being resurrected unless you count later incarnations.
Resurrection announced by: Women. Jesus.
Future: Reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium. Not Horus, not Mithras, not Osiris, not Dionysus, but Revelations says something to the effect that Jesus will.
HAHAHAHA!! They site Massey as the main source, no wonder you believe this crap. Massey has been proven wrong time and again.
First thing first, Horus is not even supposed to be born of a virgin. A relief of his conception shows Isis in falcon form hovering over the penis of old dead Osiris and no legend ever states that is was a virgin birth.
Father? Sorry, but Osiris had other sons from my understanding.
Royal descent? Wow, he must be the ultimate parallel I'm descended from royalty too, maybe I'm the second coming
Mother: Meri, actually no (this is stretching considering Isis is the mother and Meri means beloved as in Osiris's beloved), but that is inconsequential considering that they do not transliterate as such and Mary was such a common name that this is negligible.
Cave/Stable: Ummm no, Horus came from an egg, the rest is fabrication.
Annunciation: sorry but this is simply a lie because Horus's birth wasn't annunciated by anyone in Egyptian mythology. Even better is that there is no such thing as angels in Egyptian mythology.
Birth heralded by: Jesus wasn't heralded by a star = fail.
Birthdate: Jesus wasn't born on December 25 and nobody claims otherwise, so this is an automatic fail.
Birth announcement: straight lie, Horus's birth wasn't announced in Egyptian mythology.
Birth witnesses: Horus's birth wasn't witness in Egyptian mythology.
Later witnesses: once again, a lie, besides that, there isn't a specified number of wise men in the Bible so this goes to crap anyways.
Death threat during infancy: Alright, we now have two similar, although this a false change in names because it was Seth that went after Horus and Herut is made up to sound like Herod.
Handling in threat: Not sure about this one, all give it three though.
Rite of passage: these aren't even similar, besides that Horus was an adult at this point and it wasn't a rite of passage.
Age of Ritual: not cited for Horus because it isn't given.
No data between 12&30: invalid see above and two below.
Baptism location: Horus wasn't baptized, closest you'll get in Egyptian mythology is him getting thrown into some water... not nearly the same thing. Eridanus is the modern name of a constellation called "the river." It's Latin.
Age of Baptism: no age given because he wasn't baptized... someone should burn Massey's work because this is getting ridiculous.
Baptized by: wasn't baptized and Anup the Baptizer isn't a name that appears anywhere in Egyptian mythology... hehe Massey made it up that devilish little prankster...
Fate of baptizer: ...there wasn't one
Temptation/Result of temptation: another pure fabrication. There is a good story about Horus being tempted though which I will post for Kali... Horus succumbed to the temptation of his uncle, Seth (in a homosexual affair.) Horus later gets back at him by seducing him (another homosexual affair) and getting Seth pregnant.
Close followers: Horus had 16 close followers and they weren't anything like the disciples = fail.
Activities: actually no, there is absolutely no record of this... it's another of Massey's fabrications.
Horus raised Osiris from the grave: No Isis did = fail.
Location: there is no resurrection rites for Horus because he never died. And the words don't transliterate like that = fail.
Origin of name Lazarus: can you say stretch? Better yet, can you say "they do not transliterate like that".
Transfigured: Horus was not transfigured = fail.
Sermon of the Mount: Horus never did = fail.
Method of death: this is sad and laughable considering crucifixion was a Roman thing. Now what came first? Rome of Egypt? Even better is the fact that in Egyptian mythology Horus doesn't die.
Accompanied by: He never died, besides that, there might have been four thieves on Calvary with Jesus.
Burial: Horus never died = fail.
Fate after death: see above.
Resurrection announced by: see above
Future: No, Horus was the embodiment of the reigning Pharoah, and he has no prescribed future plans anything like this = fail.
And then I found this at the bottom of the page anyways...
"Ward Gasque, a volunteer book reviewer for Amazon.com surveyed twenty contemporary Egyptologists. He asked them about the origins of Jesus' name, the relationship between Horus and Jesus, whether both experienced a virgin birth, and whether the Egyptian religion considered Hourus to be an incarnation of God.
Ten responded, They agreed:
- Jesus' name is a Greek form of a very common Semitic name Jeshu'a, which is normally translated into English as Joshua.
- There is no evidence that Horus was born of a virgin, that he had twelve disciples, or that he was considered incarnation of God."
Now please, never bring something as amateur and retarded as this to my attention again. Also, give up on the idea that they are even remotely similar. The summary of their similarities is that they were both descended of royalty and had death threats against them. This simply isn't even an argument. See Kali? These are the sort of things that piss me off, this sort of absolute retardation.
The dispute on Jesus birthday came down between two dates.January 6th and December 25th.January 6th was the birth date of Aion.December 25th was celebrated as the birthday of Mithras.Both were once dates for the winter solstice.This lead mythologist Joseph Campbell to the conclusion that Jesus was actualy a sun god and that John the baptist was a water god,due to the fact he was born during the summer solstice.This gives explanation to the passage John gives us:
He must grow greater,I must become less.John 3 v 30
I'm not sure what you were getting act on the birthdate of Jesus but I thought I would point this out.
Well also much of the Bible is based on the stars, astrology which at one time was considered a science. The year of the fish blah blah blah..In fact in the OT how the tabernacle was set up falls into that category of Sun worship. And that would also explain that Bible passage in Ecc. "The Sun of Righteousness."
What I am saying is that the birthdate of Christ is never stated and nothing we have today can ever let us determine that. The birthdate that we celebrate the birth of Jesus on was indeed done to replace some of the pagan festivals on those days, however, the actual date of Jesus's is never claimed to actually have been on any of the those dates. It's really inconsequential. And that Joseph Campbell is an idiot if he really thinks that because John the Baptist is even more established in history as having existed than Jesus. There roles are actually quite clear and have been known since the beginning of Christianity.
That verse has plently of explanation to it, more without that explanation. It is well known to be a continuation of the common theme of humbleness in the NT.
Actually that's in Malachi and you have ripped a phrase, not even a full verse, from its context. Nice try though.
Yes, stars are connected to the OT, whoop-de-do, however, it is not astrology, nor is it ever used as such in any Jewish tradition that I can think of (maybe Kabbalists, but I haven't checked). Numbers are also used, however they aren't very significant, nor are they used in any blasphemous way.
And no, the tabernacle does not fall under the category of sun worship on the basis that the sun is not worshipped in any way in Biblical tradition, or even in any Hebrew oral tradition. Connections to solar bodies are astronomical not astrological.
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Apr 13th, 2007 10:50 PM
I'm descended from royalty too, maybe I'm the second coming 
