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Da Pittman
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Why the wait, why only there?

I have wondered this for awhile and never gotten a really good answer. Why did it take so long for God to send down his son and why did he only appear in one region and not all over the rest of the world. What made that time so special that he decided this would be the time to send his son and why not also in the other continents?


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There's a lot of things I wish to question about religion, and this is one of the things..

I'm sure that place were not the only place in the world that was in need of salvation..


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Its just one of those questions...Its a weird question though, why ask a man to explain Gods timeplan?

It would be like asking a stranger in the street why your mother decided to give birth to you at the time she did.


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That's a good question.

Remember that history of Salvation is not limited to the period between Christ's nativity and his resurrection.

Salvation was prepared many centuries before Christ, and it hasn't finished yet.

Jewish people was prepared by God throught thousands of years for this. Every new teaching and revelation from God, was to prepare them for the coming of Jesus, when the revelation would be complete, and mankind would be free from sin and death.

Many things in the old testament have a parallel in the New Testament, that's called typology of the Bible. Noah's ark a sign of the church, Covenant's ark a sign of Mary covered by the Holy Spirit, The exodus and jewish easter a sign of Jesus easter, etc.

Why the Jews? We know that they are very close people, who try to keep their faith and traditions. Perhaps these qualities are the among the reasons tha God selected them among all peoples on earth, because they would be the ones who would better keep and understand his revelation, but that is just my speculation.

When Christ arrived the revelation was then completed (God is love, and he want us love him, and to love each other), and he destroyed the chains of sin and death for all mankind. From that moment, his church is the new selected people to work so the fruits of Christ's sacrifice get to all mankind, and that work has taken 20 centuries and is not finished yet.

Why didn't he made a worldwide appearance? Why didn't He convert everybody in a spectacular display of power, making miracles everywhere?

Because he wants us, human beings, to do our part, contributing with the salvation of others through love, obedience, and faith.

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Re: Why the wait, why only there?

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I have wondered this for awhile and never gotten a really good answer. Why did it take so long for God to send down his son and why did he only appear in one region and not all over the rest of the world. What made that time so special that he decided this would be the time to send his son and why not also in the other continents?


The simple answer is: it is only mythology and not reality.


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Why did God send Jesus when He did? Why not earlier? Why not later?

"But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law," (Galatians 4:4). The above verse declares that God the Father sent His Son when “the fullness of time had come.” There were many things occurring at the time of the first century that, at least by human reasoning, seem to make it ideal for Christ to come then. These include the following:

1) There was a great anticipation that the Messiah would come among the Jews of that time. The Roman rule over Israel made the Jews hungry for the Messiah’s coming.

2) Rome had unified much of the world under its government, giving a sense of unity to the various lands. Also, because the empire was relatively peaceful, travel was possible by the early Christians to spread the gospel that would not have been possible during other times.

3) While Rome had conquered militarily, Greece had conquered culturally. A “common” form of the Greek language (different from classical Greek) was the trade language and was spoken throughout the empire, making it possible to communicate the gospel to many different people groups through that one common language.

4) The fact that many people’s idols had failed to give them victory over the Roman conquerors caused many to abandon their worship. At the same time in the more “cultured” cities, the Greek philosophy and science of the time left others spiritually empty in the same way that the atheism of Communist governments leaves a spiritual void today.

5) The mystery religions of the time emphasized a savior-god and required worshipers to offer bloody sacrifices, thus making the gospel of Christ, involving one ultimate sacrifice, not unbelievable to them. The Greeks also believed in the immortality of the soul (but not of the body).

6) The Roman army recruited soldiers from among the provinces, introducing these men to Roman culture and to ideas (such as the gospel) that had not reached those outlying provinces yet. The earliest introduction of the gospel to Britain was the result of the efforts of Christian soldiers stationed there.


Again, the above statements are based on men looking at that time and their speculation why that particular point in history was a good time for Christ to come. But we understand that God’s ways are above our ways and these may or may not have been some reasons for why He chose that particular time to send His Son. From the context of Galatians 3 and 4, it is evident that God sought to lay a foundation through the Jewish Law that would prepare for the coming of the Messiah. The Law was meant to help people understand the depth of their sinfulness (in that they were incapable in keeping the Law) so that they might more readily accept the cure for that sin in Jesus the Messiah (Galatians 3:22-23; Romans 3:19-20). The Law also served as a “tutor” (Galatians 3:24) to bring people to Jesus as the Messiah. It did this through its many prophecies concerning the Messiah which Jesus fulfilled. Add to this the sacrificial system that pointed to the need for a sacrifice for sin as well as its own temporary nature (with each sacrifice always requiring later additional ones). Old Testament history also painted pictures of the person and work of Christ through several events and religious feasts (such as the willingness of Abraham to offer up Isaac or the details of the Passover during the exodus from Egypt, etc.).

Lastly, Christ came when He did in fulfillment of specific prophecy. Daniel 9:24-27 speaks of the “seventy ‘weeks’” or the seventy “sevens.” From the context, these “weeks” or “sevens” refer to groups of seven years, not seven days. We can examine history and line up the details of the first sixty-nine weeks (the seventieth week will take place at a future point). The countdown of the seventy weeks begins with “the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem" (verse 25). This command was given by Artaxerxes Longimanus in 445 B.C. (see Nehemiah 2:5). After 7 “sevens” plus 62 “sevens,” or 69 x 7 years, it states that “Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself and that the city and the sanctuary would be destroyed” and that the “end of it shall be with a flood” (meaning major destruction) (verse 26). Here we have an unmistakable reference to the Savior’s death on the cross. A century ago in his book The Coming Prince, Sir Robert Anderson gave detailed calculations of the sixty-nine weeks, using ‘prophetic years,’ allowing for leap years, errors in the calendar, the change from B.C. to A.D., etc., and figured that the sixty-nine weeks ended on the very day of Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem, five days before His death. Whether one uses this timetable or not, the point is that the timing of Christ’s incarnation ties in with this detailed prophecy recorded by Daniel over five hundred years beforehand.

The timing of Christ’s incarnation was such that the people of that time were prepared for His coming, and the people of every century since then have more than sufficient evidence that Jesus was indeed the promised Messiah through His fulfillment of the Scriptures that pictured and prophesied His coming in detail.


http://www.gotquestions.org/fullness-of-time.html

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The simple answer is: it is only mythology and not reality.


I'm atheistic, but I still wish to know.. Covering your bases, you know..


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Originally posted by Darth Extecute
I'm atheistic, but I still wish to know.. Covering your bases, you know..


Pascal would be proud of you


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Pascal would be proud of you


Probably not..


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Pascal would be proud of you


I was thinking the same thing laughing out loud

Not sure Jesus' would approve.


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I'm atheistic, but I still wish to know.. Covering your bases, you know..


Remember it is the second mouse that gets the cheese from the trap.


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Re: Why the wait, why only there?

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Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I have wondered this for awhile and never gotten a really good answer. Why did it take so long for God to send down his son and why did he only appear in one region and not all over the rest of the world. What made that time so special that he decided this would be the time to send his son and why not also in the other continents?
I wondered the same thing. He should of just erased Adam and Eve and started over. He can do that ya know. He's god. I'm sure he has a very big pencil.

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I wondered the same thing. He should of just erased Adam and Eve and started over. He can do that ya know. He's god.


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The simple answer is: it is only mythology and not reality.


Therfore, god can't do that.


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Therfore, god can't do that.
According to many religions god is all powerful, so yes, god can do that...Well if he wanted to. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Why couldn't god just use that huge eraser and start on a new cartoon.

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According to many religions god is all powerful, so yes, god can do that...Well if he wanted to. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Why couldn't god just use that huge eraser and start on a new cartoon.


Because that god is not real.


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Why did God send Jesus when He did? Why not earlier? Why not later?

"But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law," (Galatians 4:4). The above verse declares that God the Father sent His Son when “the fullness of time had come.” There were many things occurring at the time of the first century that, at least by human reasoning, seem to make it ideal for Christ to come then. These include the following:

1) There was a great anticipation that the Messiah would come among the Jews of that time. The Roman rule over Israel made the Jews hungry for the Messiah’s coming.

2) Rome had unified much of the world under its government, giving a sense of unity to the various lands. Also, because the empire was relatively peaceful, travel was possible by the early Christians to spread the gospel that would not have been possible during other times.

3) While Rome had conquered militarily, Greece had conquered culturally. A “common” form of the Greek language (different from classical Greek) was the trade language and was spoken throughout the empire, making it possible to communicate the gospel to many different people groups through that one common language.

4) The fact that many people’s idols had failed to give them victory over the Roman conquerors caused many to abandon their worship. At the same time in the more “cultured” cities, the Greek philosophy and science of the time left others spiritually empty in the same way that the atheism of Communist governments leaves a spiritual void today.

5) The mystery religions of the time emphasized a savior-god and required worshipers to offer bloody sacrifices, thus making the gospel of Christ, involving one ultimate sacrifice, not unbelievable to them. The Greeks also believed in the immortality of the soul (but not of the body).

6) The Roman army recruited soldiers from among the provinces, introducing these men to Roman culture and to ideas (such as the gospel) that had not reached those outlying provinces yet. The earliest introduction of the gospel to Britain was the result of the efforts of Christian soldiers stationed there.


Again, the above statements are based on men looking at that time and their speculation why that particular point in history was a good time for Christ to come. But we understand that God’s ways are above our ways and these may or may not have been some reasons for why He chose that particular time to send His Son. From the context of Galatians 3 and 4, it is evident that God sought to lay a foundation through the Jewish Law that would prepare for the coming of the Messiah. The Law was meant to help people understand the depth of their sinfulness (in that they were incapable in keeping the Law) so that they might more readily accept the cure for that sin in Jesus the Messiah (Galatians 3:22-23; Romans 3:19-20). The Law also served as a “tutor” (Galatians 3:24) to bring people to Jesus as the Messiah. It did this through its many prophecies concerning the Messiah which Jesus fulfilled. Add to this the sacrificial system that pointed to the need for a sacrifice for sin as well as its own temporary nature (with each sacrifice always requiring later additional ones). Old Testament history also painted pictures of the person and work of Christ through several events and religious feasts (such as the willingness of Abraham to offer up Isaac or the details of the Passover during the exodus from Egypt, etc.).

Lastly, Christ came when He did in fulfillment of specific prophecy. Daniel 9:24-27 speaks of the “seventy ‘weeks’” or the seventy “sevens.” From the context, these “weeks” or “sevens” refer to groups of seven years, not seven days. We can examine history and line up the details of the first sixty-nine weeks (the seventieth week will take place at a future point). The countdown of the seventy weeks begins with “the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem" (verse 25). This command was given by Artaxerxes Longimanus in 445 B.C. (see Nehemiah 2:5). After 7 “sevens” plus 62 “sevens,” or 69 x 7 years, it states that “Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself and that the city and the sanctuary would be destroyed” and that the “end of it shall be with a flood” (meaning major destruction) (verse 26). Here we have an unmistakable reference to the Savior’s death on the cross. A century ago in his book The Coming Prince, Sir Robert Anderson gave detailed calculations of the sixty-nine weeks, using ‘prophetic years,’ allowing for leap years, errors in the calendar, the change from B.C. to A.D., etc., and figured that the sixty-nine weeks ended on the very day of Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem, five days before His death. Whether one uses this timetable or not, the point is that the timing of Christ’s incarnation ties in with this detailed prophecy recorded by Daniel over five hundred years beforehand.

The timing of Christ’s incarnation was such that the people of that time were prepared for His coming, and the people of every century since then have more than sufficient evidence that Jesus was indeed the promised Messiah through His fulfillment of the Scriptures that pictured and prophesied His coming in detail.


http://www.gotquestions.org/fullness-of-time.html


Yup. God needed it to be convenient or else he would fail, right?


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I have wondered this for awhile and never gotten a really good answer. Why did it take so long for God to send down his son and why did he only appear in one region and not all over the rest of the world. What made that time so special that he decided this would be the time to send his son and why not also in the other continents?


One reason: pitt happens.


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One reason: pitt happens.
laughing Haven't seen you in a while wink


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laughing Haven't seen you in a while wink


laughing out loud Yeah, its been a while.


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