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Guile vs Kim Kaphwan
Kunsan Air Base, South Korea.
Colonel Guile is in the Far East with his family, visiting a family friend who was stationed in Kunsan.
At the same time, Kim Kaphwan is giving a Taekwondo exhibition on the same base, along with his two sons.
The Air Force commando is spending time with his daughter (while the wife is out and about in town), and takes her to the TKD exhibition. Kim recognizes Guile (the hair and the tattoos are a dead giveaway).
Hearing about his exploits, Kaphwan sees the American as a true follower of justice and politely requests a friendly match. Guile accepts the challenge.
Round One is in their Capcom incarnations.
Round Two is in their SNK incarnations
Round Three is the infamous Barrel Factory bonus stage from SF2.
Round Four is the brick breaking bonus stage from Fatal Fury 2.
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are you serious? when was the last time you saw Guile moving as fast as Kim? yes his sonic boom is the fastest projectile but that's besides the point. we're talking about THEIR speed not their projectiles.
Guile is a military man yes but that has nothing to do with MA. he only went under Charlie's wing for a VERY short period of time and even by SFA3 he barely knew charlie that well and wasn't at all that good (something proven even in game). and SFA3 took place 2-3 years before SF2.
been training his whole life in taekwondo (he's 33), national icon, vigilante, gymnastics expert and a natural athelete. while Guile is big stupid slowass american soldier on steroids.
proof that his flashkick is faster by the way? does it use the same principal as sonicboom?
I don't have access to my SFer material at work, so I'll have to get back to you with most of it, but you severely underestimate Guile with your "Guile is big stupid slowass american soldier on steroids" comment.. That alone proves your just again cutting into Capcom fighters for your kicks... #1: he's not that big, #2: he's not slow and #3: he's not on Steroids...
No. The Boom is a projectile made of energy, the Flash Kick is a ki empoweref physical attack, and it still moves faster than any of Kim's kicks.
he's never moved fast IIRC. especially not faster than Kim
of all the things i said, only THIS part was a joke.
how do you know it moves faster than Kim's? compare their speed for most of their moves. look at the phoenix combo and look at how Kim can do up to 4 kicks in a few seconds....as opposed to Guile and NONE of his moves move that fast.
No, Sagat is big, Zangeif is friggin huge.. Guile is probably the buff side of average, especially for a SFer character.
Check his Final Impact super, he's fast when he needs to be.
Funny, he throws like 6 punches & kicks iin about 1.38 seconds. Same as Charlie. as for the flash kick, you can see the speed by the blade he creates purely out of the motion of the kick.
no Sagat and Zangief are monsters. Guile is always drawn with too much bulk hanging on him except in the SFA series, but even there he was big. he's big.
.....have you seen the phoenix combo? especially the SDM version from KoF?
the blade he creates IS the ki. it has nothing to do with his speed.
I can't call any of the matches save round 2. That's dual suicide because SVC sucked & they hate themselves for being in it. Kim uses his flexibility & TKD skill to put his own foot thru his face. Guile decapitates himself w/a sonic boom.
Look at him compared to Ryu or Ken... He's not all that much bulk for his height... Guy is the only person of that size/wight class who is skinnier... Your over-reacting.
Yes I have, and that doesn't countermand what I said now does it?
That may be true for Charlie, but not for Guile, not in any of the Sprite frames I've seen, the only times he's ever had actual visible ki in the flash kicks is in non-canon games. If you look at the sprite at the time the blade comes out, you'll see it's only a motion blur from his boot, rather than an actual energy attack.
Darko: from waht i know, the decided to make THAT the move later on. i can't post any sources for that cuz it was AGES ago. if you look at this "flash" well Kim has them too.
as for size, he seems pretty bulky to me. Guile never struck me as your average gym going dude but hardcore steroid junkie. and then he IS from the airforce and those boys are always buff. but meh, this is purely a matter of opinion.
I just really didn't like that game. It came after CVS2 so it should have been better or @least as good.
How would you compare Guile's frame to his fellow soldiers from KOF, Clark & Ralf?
BTW, anybody who lives near a Kay Bee Toy Store(going out of biz) can pick up NGBC for $5!!!! You'll probably have a French instruction booklet tho. The roster is awesome, not like the small stupid one in SVC
Ok but can you explain WHY Guile Only manege to do 1 kick in the Air and Kim on the Other hand can kick a somersault kick up and then flip over and Kick down while still in air ..... that's 1 kick more than Guile and hes slower you say DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH
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Last edited by Drunk_of_Fury on Jan 15th, 2009 at 03:51 PM
What are people basing on to claim Kim has more speed than Guile? Gameplay?
If in game properties reflected the character's real attributes then Ryu would be moving a lot faster considering his bullet dodging speed and Akuma's Kongou Kokuretsu Zan would be a full screen attack.
Snk usually exagerates more the moves in game and makes them more flashy while SF keeps them more simple (Hence Kim having 2 kicks in his flash kick), that's all. It doesn't really mean anything.
And the big steroid muscles that are supposed to make Guile slower... wouldn't they make him have more strength if that was the case?
well, you do the math: kim does his phoenix combo which is a freakin blur, he can even dash in the air, do several summersaults while airborne and he even defies gravity in many of his moves by dashing while in midair, accelerating while in midair all that stuff. its not rocket science to say that Kim is faster.
ryu can dodge bullets. not outrun them. please don't make such mistakes again in your reasoning. as for KKZ, why would it be a screen filler?
If Kim can do all that in the game then it makes sense that he could in the canon (Although I would classify most of those feats as aerial movement skill rather than speed) but that isn't my point. My point is that not seeing Guile doing stuff like that in the game is no reason to assume he is slow. There isn't really any reason at all to think he is slow. Capcom just kept his moveset as it was originally (in a game that came out before the impressing kids with cool ass fighting moves trend developed) and decided not to add any fancy stuff to it. That's all.
Guile in the game can follow up his sonic boom with little speed difference and attack along with it... does it mean that Guile is nearly as fast as a sonic boom (one of the fastest projectile in the game)? No. My point still stands: Gameplay doesn't represent accurately what the characters could fight like. Do we have to assume that Dan can punch as hard or that Sakura can take hits better than Akuma otherwise?
Look at DarkStalkers characters. The stuff they do in the game isn't really more impressive than what you see in SF, and still they are supposed to be a lot more powerful in the story.
I never said that Ryu can outrun bullets. All I'm saying is that Ryu's speed in the game doesn't look like bullet dodging speed. KKZ doesn't look like something that can split a mountain in half and yet it is (in game it looks like something that can't hurt someone standing a couple of meters away from Akuma and does absolutely nothing to the ground).
Last edited by Evil Ryu on Jan 16th, 2009 at 06:10 PM
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