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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Then why does he always lose? :[

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Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
No matter how you slice it, Sephiroth>Cloud, as I have said teleports behind Cloud and cuts his head off.

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Originally posted by Burning thought
Heres how it is, on the grounds of the AC battle Cloud could have easily won, by feats and actual showings Cloud>>>Sephiroth taking into account the character of the beings themselves.

However, if we are going to create a theoretical battle where they are simply mindless killing machines bent on nothing but the others death and will use their full powers at their disposal, then by feats Cloud would either insantly use Omnislash, killing Sephiroth, it happens too quickly for him to react to OR if we assume they start out at a distance, Sephiroth destroys Cloud with the Negative lifestream or using his willpower.

According to the developers nothing is above Sephiroth, the only way this can be true is if you take into account the Negative lifestream, however in the basis of the AC fight, Cloud could easily beat Sephiroth at that range, him not using Omnislash from the beginning seems to me just as much PIS as Sephiroth not using any of his other abilities. Thing is, Cloud could likely counter most of Sephiroths powers, I doubt Sephiroth has a counter for a move as fast as Omnislash.

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Originally posted by Burning thought
Heres how it is, on the grounds of the AC battle Cloud could have easily won, by feats and actual showings Cloud>>>Sephiroth taking into account the character of the beings themselves.

However, if we are going to create a theoretical battle where they are simply mindless killing machines bent on nothing but the others death and will use their full powers at their disposal, then by feats Cloud would either insantly use Omnislash, killing Sephiroth, it happens too quickly for him to react to OR if we assume they start out at a distance, Sephiroth destroys Cloud with the Negative lifestream or using his willpower.

According to the developers nothing is above Sephiroth, the only way this can be true is if you take into account the Negative lifestream, however in the basis of the AC fight, Cloud could easily beat Sephiroth at that range, him not using Omnislash from the beginning seems to me just as much PIS as Sephiroth not using any of his other abilities. Thing is, Cloud could likely counter most of Sephiroths powers, I doubt Sephiroth has a counter for a move as fast as Omnislash.

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Tetsuya Nomura:
Kitase said that Sephiroth's existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him

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AC Reunion Files:
-It's said that Cloud was outmatched when it came to the fight with Sephiroth.
Sorry everybody who thinks that Cloud was almost on par with him: he wasn't.
Even worse for Cloud, Nomura said that Sephiroth didn't sweat during the
entire fight and never exerted himself.

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Originally posted by fascistcrusader
The creators already settled this debate:





Canonically Sephiroth > Anything else in the universe of FF VII. This means that powerhouses like Omega Weiss and Chaos Vincent aren't as powerful as him, meaning Cloud is pathetic next to him.

In a fight with no plot devices and Sephiroth going all out, he shit stomps Cloud in no time.

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Originally posted by niduin
ok i disagre that cloud was more impresive that seph in ac, just from part in the fight where cloud colapsed from exaustion and seph being fully energized still and the fact that sephiroth was able to fight clout effortlessly using one blade when cloud had 2 out, and he summons clouds out of nowhere. but also with omnislash i beleive there are requirements for him to use it im not sure exactly what they are or if they actually exist, but without omnislash cloud would lose eventually it would only take a long time because seph likes to mess arround with cloud, and that is the only reason that seph loses because of his arrogance