Lu Bu was captured in his sleep by his own men. Lu Bu was bound and had his horse offered to Cao Cao as a gift as they were surrendering.
Lu Bu fought Guan Yu, then Zhang Fei jumped in and then Liu Bei jumped in and the three brothers combined couldn't put him down or even affect him.
If this is a one on one then Lu Bu stomps him either by shooting him or just stomping him with his halberd. If this is a war as in they are using armies to fight then Tadakatsu.
Koei makes Lu Bu the strongest in DW. They really stress him having unparalled might. Honda on the other hand had many other characters who could be considered the strongest. Keiji Maeda was actually the strongest first, but now the running for mightiest warrior is SW is Musashi Miyamoto, Tadakatsu Honda, Keiji Maeda and Toshiie Maeda.
I would say, honestly... they are equal in almost every way. But I give it to Lu Bu, he is really skilled with many weapons, plus he has Red Hare by his side, so he strikes from the horse, and it is probably over.
If going by their only comparative games (The Warriors Orochi series), you'd be hard pressed to give either one the edge...
From my own perspective, if I had to pick one, I'd say Lu Bu BARELY takes the edge... if only for that incredible performance at Hu Lao Gate is any indication, the dude practically stalled the entire coalition army solo, and it took the consolidated effort of 4 generals, (3 of which where considered amongst the deadliest of the era) JUST to force him to retreat, and that was AFTER he cut a path of devastation by single handedly demolishing over 10,000 soldiers...
Come to think of it, Lu Bu is noticably younger than Tadakatsu.
In the Warriors games, Lu Bu is 29 years old.
Tadakatsu has a daughter, Ina, who is believed to be 20+ in the games.
Logically, Tadakatsu is 40+, but still has the same strength as Lu Bu.
I dunno, but I think Tadakatsu at his prime would destroy Lu Bu.
Heck, even Yoshihiro Shimazu and Zuo Ci at their prime would destroy Lu Bu in his best day.
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In game Yoshi hasn't done a thing that says he can contend with Lu Bu. Any version of Zuo Ci would win, he's an immortal mystic with a shit load of magic attacks.
He's a mystic, but not in the same league as Fu Xi, Nu Wa, Taigong Wang or Orochi... Those dudes where considered gods/demons... Zuo Ci was a hermit who is only a few notches above guys like Zhang Jiao, Zhuge Liang and Pang Tong.
Have you seen what he can do? Sure his durability is possibly shit as of the DW5 cutscene with Cao Cao but that can be debated whether or not he actually died, plus the fact he wasn't ready. Zuo Ci's sorcery is able to counter Da Ji and Kiyomori's. He is also able to produce copies of himself.
Yes, but it is also debatable wether or not he is a true 'Mystic' at their levels, he's certainly not a true immortal like them.
Producing copies isn't really all that impressive, not when compared to the Phantom Soldier techniques, and another mystic Sun Tzu was actually testing him, Zhang Jiao and Pang Tong in a DW5 Legends scenario, who was showing feats better than the 3 combined, aling with Zhuge and Sima, he would have raped them going all out, and the actual immortals are far beyond Tzu in terms of raw power and ability... Orochi warped literally hundreds, maybe even thousands of officers from across 2 eras, not forgetting possibly millions of troops...
The other Mystics happily welcome him as one of them and they and him have both referred to him as a Mystic.
Like I said his immortality is debatable. The Legends aren't canon, just extra side stories. Zuo has also countered the phantom soldiers iirc. The phantoms aren't all that imo, Zhang Jiao was able to do it easily in 4.
The 3 mystics consider Zuo Ci a peer, if not possibly superior.
He's like the Lu Bu of the immortals.
Considering the fact that his stats are maxed out like Lu Bu in DW5 (the only DW game he's ever been in), and his 4th weapon base attack in WO is 98. Second only to Lu Bu, Tadakatsu, and Shin Orochi.
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Last edited by AsbestosFlaygon on May 17th, 2009 at 09:00 AM
The dude has aged... he's not technically immortal in that sense.
As for the others welcoming him, does that mean he IS an immortal or a mystic? No, of course not...
Duplicates are defeatable, the Phantoms arn't, the stone warriors are a better feat for Zuo... But then again, Tzu beats them all out, and the real immortals piss on him from such a height, he gets a hole in his head in 0.3 seconds flat.
@occult: Your not seriously trying to use THAT as evidence are you?
....... Seriously mate, ANYONE can be built up to those stats, and weapon modifiers arnt that much to go by, half the hightiers are 95+ attack damage characters with 4th weapons, and at least 4 are 98+ in DW5 and DW4 alone, nevermind WO1 or 2...
He is indeed immortal, as you can see in his DW5 ending.
He was the only man left standing, when everyone has fallen.
Quite an impossible feat for such an old man.
Besides, Zuo Ci was more of the passive-type of warrior.
Taigong Wang and the other mystics wanted Orochi to return in the mystic world, but he just watched as the events unfold.
BTW, Zuo Ci and Lu Bu are the only 2 characters who have max stats in DW5. The hidden values were never really revealed, but it has been proven that only they have maxed out stats.
And 4th weapon attack damage corresponds with the strength of that character in WO.
Tadakatsu, Lu Bu and Shin Orochi are obviously the strongest. Thus, their base weapon attack damage are highest. Zuo Ci is second, so that effectively that makes him the 2nd strongest after them.
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Last edited by AsbestosFlaygon on May 18th, 2009 at 03:54 AM
Thats REALLY poor reasoning to assume he is anything remotely like that based on gameplay stats... The dude has done literally NOTHING to warrent anything like Mystic status, nevermind anything close to Orochi or Lu Bu, Honda or Keiji...
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