Marek can use all his Force powers at their fullest strength and so can the Lich King. Marek is armed with 2 lightsabers as in the trailer for TFU2 and his showing in said trailer will be used as canon as well as actual canon. Though if you feel thats unfair then say so and I may reconsider. The Lich King is armed only with Frostmorne and the feats from his universe.
They fight in the Tomb of Ragnos from the excellent Jedi Knight series.
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Because the Lich King can place his body in the spirit realm, beyond that the Lich king has a daemonic armor that protects him, but what makes this fight very simple is that the Lich King can rip out Starkillers soul out, and unless I missed something Starkiller can do nothing to prevent it.
Now you just find me a little clip where Starkiller actually does that to another forceuser or better yet find a movie where he force push a guys head off or crush the non vital heart in the Lich King's body.
And him popping the Lich King will be kinda hard when all his body functions are disabled, yes the Lich King can do that aswell
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Last edited by Utrigita on Oct 2nd, 2010 at 05:13 PM
Yes that you can, I can also show you the comic in which Galen only assisted the Star Destroyer in it's decent (seeing as the Rail Gun had fired straight through it.) One thing both the Comic and the Game agree on though is that Malek was incapable of stopping the Star Destroyer when it was moving towards him on the ground, something that should be easier to accomplish. And Ner'Zhul had his power increased over 9000.
I might have missed the part where a basic force ability was a magical sphere instantly created that disables everything apart from eyes and ears.
Wonderful logic, I wonder why he didn't simply pwn Palpatine completely in the non canon ending, where he as far as I recall failed in stopping the Rogue Shadow.
And Starkiller showed the ability to use this technique which is developed in Star Wars Knight of the Old Republic when, and what exactly speaks to him being capable of resisting a magic spell, like you indirectly claim he can?
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Last edited by Utrigita on Oct 2nd, 2010 at 05:31 PM
Probably because Palpatine is even more powerful, since he has lifted a similarly sized, maybe larger ship with the Force. The fact that he could fight him at all is a good showing. So no, failing to stop the Rogue Shadow which was under Palpatine's (See one of or THE strongest Sith ever) control is not a bad feat.
I do not recall if he has shown the ability to use it, but the idea of one of the strongest Force users ever being susceptible to it is silly, no? Ah good old magic. Tell me, is a fireball inherently more powerful when created through magic? If it is just as hot as a fireball created from non-magical sources, will the magical fireball win?
Speaks in direct opposite to what the producer said concerning Starkiller, that he more or less is a clone of Luke and Luke has the full potential of his father who injuried was 80% of the emperor, and seeing how the Emperor never managed to perform a telekinetic feat near what Galen accomplished atleast not that I'm aware of, the circumstance that Sidious could defeat him with the Rogue Shadow speaks more towards Galen Marek not being quite as powerful as you would like to perceive him as. It's inconsistency when it's finest.
The idea of a Force User using a ability that he has never shown to use nor have said ability never been shown to him, it's also in a entirely different time and teaching under a sith lord that isn't interested in teaching his student to pacify his opponent, to then suggest that he can use said ability when nothing points towards it would be silly. Irrelevant comparison, the matter in this comparison is that where Starkiller will be capable of fighting a forceuser locking his body, because said forceuser will be using the force to accomplish said feat. A magic user won't be using the force and will thus use a type of energy beyond the control of Starkiller.
You are seriously underestimating Sidious here. Sidious has been shown to rip apart entire fleets with his force storms... Regardless the Dark Side ending is non-canon so using that to debate is inherently flawed.
It's not non canon that Galen Marek is looked upon by the writer as being a clone of Luke Skywalker in terms of powerlevel is it?
I'm fully aware of what Sidious accomplished in Dark Empire and that atleast two source books stats him as being the strongest Sithlord, what I'm pointing out is that the Sidious that Galen Marek fought is a different one, from DE Sidious, but I might have forgotten Sidious throwing around a Force Storm or two before the battle at Endor?
And I'm fully aware of it as being non Canon, I'm merely highlighting that being capable of pulling down a Star Destroyer (as awesome as it sounds) isn't = Win, kinda like when Yoda in Star Wars Clone Wars on the attack of Coruscant made 4 transport ships collide, that doesn't as far as I'm aware give a auto win either.
Either way getting to old for this, enjoy the debate guys
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Last edited by Utrigita on Oct 2nd, 2010 at 06:20 PM
It was said that Starkiler was what Luke would have been if Vader had raised him, not that they have they same powerlevel. And its worth noting that Luke's potential powerlevel is that of Anakins, which is twice as powerful as Sidious' own who by himself is already the most powerful Force user in history, capable of mindraping millions and rending time and space with a thought. And current Luke can pwn the effects of super-massive black hole's, has telepathy that stretches across the galaxy, can make an entire planet invisible and tear castles apart brick by brick and then put it back together again the same way.
Can't the Lich King summon up an army to distract Galen?
I still give the odds to Galen though.
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Army summoning sounds pretty unfair. This is Galen vs the Lich King not Galen vs The Scourge. By right of my thread-starter powar, I rule that he can't pull that shite.
Well, you did state that the Lich King could use his powers to the fullest as per the OP. Summoning/creating an army of undead is a part of his powerset.
Fair enough, you're the TC, even though you did just hose the LK.
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