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The_God
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General Grevous(ROTS) Vs Assaj Ventress

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Achilles X
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Impossible! A halfway decent thread from this noob? Can't be!!!

But my money's on Asajj, Grievous might be able to do something in lightsaber combat, but if Ventress uses any type of Force power, Grievous is done for.


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RaidenDeadpool
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Assaj isn't anything special. Grievous.


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chilled monkey
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They fought in the comics. Assaj (and Dirge) both got beaten.

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Janus Marius
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That's impressive when you consider Assajj is supposed to be pretty fekkin' badass according to Starwars.com, which states she has "perfected dual saber use". Also, she was about equal with Anakin and the brat had to use his anger to get an edge which didn't even kill her. She can survive more shit than a cockroach, I swear.

Am I the only one not sure why GG is a badass in the comics and blows in movie? Or is Obi-Wan just -that- good and no one wants to admit it?

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That's true. The GG movie sucks, but in the Cartoon, he could kill three or four Asajj's. That always kind of pissed me off.


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Janus Marius
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I think that GG was made to be a "hyped" character, and then Gl stepped in and he's like "WTF? Obi-Wan can pwn this n00b h4x00r... lol!!! SYSPH"

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Well, according to Count Dooku in LOE, who is Grievous' saber mentor, the General is incredibly skilled. However, while scolding him for seeming imperfections in his fighting style, the Count states that Grievous' greatest weapon and ally in combat is the element of surprise, along with fear and confusion. Without it, he would be destroyed. Then, the Sith Lord proceeds to name a few Jedi who would destroy the General if he didn't use these to his advantage; Obi-Wan was one of these Jedi, along with Cin Drallig, Mace Windu, and Yoda. Anakin was not. This may merely be the result of Dooku's determination not to acknowledge Anakin's growing power, but whatever. Proceeding. . . .

So, on Hypori, when a Jedi was killed in a split second by a mechanical fiend dropping onto his skull, Masters Ki-Adi-Mundi and Shaak Ti were stunned and confused, along with the other Jedi. They had never seen or heard of such a creature, and as a result, were sufficiently astounded, enough to give the droid General a victory against five Jedi. The same thing happened in LOE (I know, I use it a lot) when the General moves to capture the Chancellor. He uses a dramatic entrance combined with half a dozen of his towering elites to strike fear into the hearts of everyone present, thus ensuring a victory born of deception.

Anyway, as you saw in ROTS, Grievous has not a single one of these advantages on his side. IN fact, Obi-Wan has the advantage of surprise on his side, and although it does little to faze Grievous, it nullifies the General's advantages. It was only Grievous' arrogance and confidence that kept him in the duel. When he realized he had not a chance, and probably remembered Dooku's warning, he fled.

Hope that answers it sufficiently enough. Just a theory, but in my mind, a fitting one.

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Janus Marius
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Originally posted by Darth Windu
Well, according to Count Dooku in LOE, who is Grievous' saber mentor, the General is incredibly skilled. However, while scolding him for seeming imperfections in his fighting style, the Count states that Grievous' greatest weapon and ally in combat is the element of surprise, along with fear and confusion. Without it, he would be destroyed. Then, the Sith Lord proceeds to name a few Jedi who would destroy the General if he didn't use these to his advantage; Obi-Wan was one of these Jedi, along with Cin Drallig, Mace Windu, and Yoda. Anakin was not.

So, on Hypori, when a Jedi was killed in a split second by a mechanical fiend dropping onto his skull, Masters Ki-Adi-Mundi and Shaak Ti were stunned and confused, along with the other Jedi. They had never seen or heard of such a creature, and as a result, were sufficiently astounded, enough to give the droid General a victory against five Jedi. The same thing happened in LOE (I know, I use it a lot) when the General moves to capture the Chancellor. He uses a dramatic entrance combined with half a dozen of his towering elites to strike fear into the hearts of everyone present, thus ensuring a victory born of deception.

Anyway, as you saw in ROTS, Grievous has not a single one of these advantages on his side. IN fact, Obi-Wan has the advantage of surprise on his side, and although it does little to faze Grievous, it nullifies the General's advantages. It was only Grievous' arrogance and confidence that kept him in the duel. When he realized he had not a chance, and probably remembered Dooku's warning, he fled.

Hope that answers it sufficiently enough. Just a theory, but in my mind, a fitting one.


Your attention to detail is simply amazing. I wish I retained that much when I read novels. i'm probably forgetting a lot of things... Which is why I like to reread books when i get the chance. I mean, I totally forgot the name of the Force sensitive Mace fights in Shatterpoint, which is odd because he is named throughout the damn book.

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Kor Vastor?

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Janus Marius
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I had to think a moment before I replied...

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Lol. Well if you think that theory works, then it should solve most of our GG problems.

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Janus Marius
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I remember reading it to, I just needed a refresher. Yes, definately. GG's a surprise kinda guy. Makes me rethink Ki-Adi-Mundi, for sure.

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The General. Not only did he already defeat her and Durge, Force powers don't usually work on him. 5 Jedi at once lost and he has defeated many, many Jedi. Someone strong with the Force could do it, but not Asajj.


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Whats LOE?


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Okay now, that being said, I need to get to the point; the battle. Since GG isn't going to be in a position where he gets his advantages, he's going to be hard-pressed here, but he could pull it off.

General Grievous

- Cybernetically enhanced to the point where he is all but a super-powered droid.
- Has killed more than a dozen Jedi before, some without a lightsaber. (LOE, early Chapters, when he's thinking back on Geonosis)
- Capable of wielding six lightsabers simultaneously.
- Does not know fear.
- Trained by Dooku for more than a decade.
- Can adapt to his opponents fighting style.
- Trained in the seven forms of lightsaber combat.
- Uses an unorthodox tactic that has never been used before.
- Has faced off against Mace Windu.
- Defeated five Jedi simultaneously at Hypori.
- Killed four Jedi and four Red Guards in minutes when abducting Palpatine.

Assaj Ventress

- Trained by Count Dooku for a year or so.
- Has engaged Obi-Wan three or four times, and nearly killed him each encounter.
- Has engaged Anakin two or three times, the last requiring him to use all his anger and hatred to vanquish her.
- Has killed a team of five Jedi with the help of Durge, the one survivor being Kenobi.
- Killed a Jedi Master and literally disarmed a Padawan in single combat on a mission.
- Killed a Knight and wounded a couple of Padawans in a staged duel, although the victims were not aware of the plot.
- Has defeated Jedi Master Kit Fisto in single combat, nearly killing him.
- Fought Mace Windu and escaped.

Ventress has done some impressive things in her own right. But I think Grievous would have this. I reserve full judgement until I see more. . . well thought out opinions.

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Grievous was only half trained so he could only do so much but he still wins. whats LOE? and where does it say he was trained for ten years?


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Janus Marius
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Labyrinth of Evil... LOE

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M-Man, not to be rude, but I have no idea in hell what you just said.

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RaidenDeadpool
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Thanks but where doe's it say he was trained for ten years cause if he was trained for that long wouldn't he have put up a better fight?


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