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Mace VS Dooku = Dooku
Mace lost when they were training, Dooku could do it again. Dooku is far more experienced and lets his anger fuel his dueling, making him a fast and deadly opponent. Mace's style is ment for dark-siders, being that you have to contest anger into the form, making Mace held back with his form. Dooku wins.
Obi VS Grievous = Obi
We have seen Obi cut off two of Grievous' hands and kill him with a gun. Kenobi wins this.
Cin VS Asajj = Asajj
Cin trained all the Jedi that died on Geonosis and was killed by Anakin who was using one hand. Asajj gave Anakin a nasty scar and survived from him. She was also trained by Dooku. Asajj wins.
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Mace vs. Dooku=Dooku
Obi vs. Assaj=Assaj
Cin vs. Grievous=Grievous
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No. It depends on who goes down first and in this case it would be Grievous without a doubt no matter if he has to face Drallig, Kenobi or Windu.
Now that would leave:
Kenobi + Drallig + Windu VS Ventress + Dooku
That might be:
1.)Kenobi + Drallig vs Dooku AND Windu vs Ventress
2.)Kenobi + Windu vs Dooku AND Drallig vs Ventress
3.)Windu + Drallig vs Dooku AND Kenobi vs Ventress
Case 1:
Windu would kill Ventress faster than Dooku can kill Drallig and Obi-Wan so you end up with Dooku facing at least two if not all three Jedi one of them being Windu. I don't think he can take that.
Case 2:
Kenobi and Windu are too much for Dooku. I don't know if Drallig can defeat Ventress but I think Mace + Kenobi will take Dooku out before Ventress is able to defeat Drallig (which might not happen).
Case 3:
Windu and Drallig vs Dooku is again too much for Dooku. Ventress might defeat Obi-Wan but not as fast as Windu and Drallig will defeat Dooku.
So...in any case I have to say that Mace, Obi-Wan and Drallig are going to win here with maybe one of them (most likely Cin) getting killed by Dooku.
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Ok, Dooku would hand Mace's ass to him.
Apparently, according to the Opinions of other Forums i have currently visited and reviewed, Mace is considered "The best Swordsman in the Galaxy" and Dooku is "The greatest duelist in the Galaxy" and apparently, being the greatest Swordsman in the galaxy means you get to own the greatest duelist in the galaxy.
Since when?
Let us consider the facts here.
Mace Windu:
- Has fallen to Dooku before, whether it be a training match or not, Mace has lost to Dooku once.
- Mace Windu's form of Lightsaber Combat requires you to place emotion into your strikes for an extra power plus. Mace Windu is very strict with the Jedi Code and probably would not place emotion into his attacks, making it very difficult for him to properly use his Form.
- I have heard from people....
"But Sorgo, Mace Windu has gained experience since his fight with Dooku!"
Do you think Dooku has been sitting on his arse drinking Martini's all day? No! Obviously Dooku has gained experience as well.
Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus:
- Has beaten Mace Windu while training session, so why can't he do it again?
- Count Dooku's form of Lightsaber Combat requires a considerate amount of aggression. While Dooku's fight with Windu, Dooku was a Jedi. Dooku probably followed the Jedi Code and did not place aggressive emotion into his Lightsaber combat during the training session or any other fight. Now that he is dismissed from the Jedi and is now a Sith Lord, he probably has administered his aggression into his Form, making him an even deadlier opponent than previously.
Dooku rips Mace apart. End of story.
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Sorgo's not SS'd. And on topic, that's not really practical, considering that the duel occured slightly before TPM, within the range of a decade, it's just not. Dooku had to have been a highly skilled Makashi practioner by the time he reached his sixties. Why would he use a different form, and against Mace Windu of all people?
- True, no arguments there.
- Why would Mace use a form that he has to struggle to use? Why would he create it? Windu is probably the only Jedi other than Anakin and Yoda who truly cuts loose, who is truly unleashed when he fights. He uses his emotions, and well. To the point where he toes the the line between Lightg and Dark every time he uses that lightsaber.
- Vader's beaten Luke before. Why couldn't he do it again? People change you're not going to get the same results every time.
- Count Dooku's style requires precision and level-head. . . successful and effective aggression comes hand in hand with that. And his feelings don't really matter, beecause if Dooku went ape with aggression, he'd get chopped in two. His style requires focus; his emotions are used to fuel his power in the Force, as shown against Yoda. His contempt and new-found darkness made him powerful, not a better duelist.
Now, Dooku may well defeat Mace in a Battle of the Force. But certainly not before Grievous and/or Assaj are defeated by their respective opponents.
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- True, no arguments there.
- Why would Mace use a form that he has to struggle to use? Why would he create it? Windu is probably the only Jedi other than Anakin and Yoda who truly cuts loose, who is truly unleashed when he fights. He uses his emotions, and well. To the point where he toes the the line between Lightg and Dark every time he uses that lightsaber.
Mace Windu does not place emotions into his Form, being the reason he did not fall to the dark side as Depa and Sora did. They both fell because they put their emotions into their fighting with the form. If Mace put his aggression into the Form, you would see it. He may put a little but, but he doesn't place a high enough level of aggression for it to even be relevant.
- Vader's beaten Luke before. Why couldn't he do it again? People change you're not going to get the same results every time.
- Count Dooku's style requires precision and level-head. . . successful and effective aggression comes hand in hand with that. And his feelings don't really matter, beecause if Dooku went ape with aggression, he'd get chopped in two. His style requires focus; his emotions are used to fuel his power in the Force, as shown against Yoda. His contempt and new-found darkness made him powerful, not a better duelist.
Ape? No one said anything about him going Ape. Where in hell do you get this shit from?
Dooku obviously held back placing aggression into his Form when he was a Jedi. Makashi does require aggression. This being why most Sith use it and most Jedi do not.
Now, Dooku may well defeat Mace in a Battle of the Force. But certainly not before Grievous and/or Assaj are defeated by their respective opponents.
Dooku may even just defeat Windu with his Lightsaber, if he is in the mood, so to say.
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It's clearly said that Vaapad uses dark side powers (thereby emotions) and channels them but keeping them under control. And it is an aggressive fighting style since it's based on Juyo. Just have a look at Mace Windus face after he killed Jango Fett and tell me what you see there.
Dooku vs Mace would be a close fight. It will take a lot of time no matter who you think will win it. Now Grievous will get owned by either Obi-Wan or Cin Drallig in less than a minute and then it's no matter if the one that defeated Grievous will help the one that fights Ventress (who will be probably defeated by Cin or Obi-Wan too) or Mace fighting Dooku. Dooku or Ventress will both go down facing two of the Jedi thereby Cin, Mace and Obi-Wan win.
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I don't really get why people think that Vaapad was meant for putting emotion into the power of the attacks. Mace Windu, strictly a Jedi, created it. Bit odd for him to create it a specific way but not perform it that way. Duh?
Dooku is a far better duelist than Windu. When it comes to all-around combat, like fighting droids and so on, I'm sure Windu has had his days, but when it comes to Jedi vs. Jedi combat, Dooku would take this, seeing as it is his specialty.
Makashi is defensive, isn't it? How is that agressive?
Anyway...
Obi-Wan would take out Asajj (with some difficulties, maybe) or Grievous if matched against them, but Dooku would put him down.
Drallig would most likely take down Asajj, but not Grievous or Dooku. Drallig was a great swordsman, but Dooku would crush him, and he sounds like the type to just try attacking straight-on, which Grievous would own hiim with superior (robotic) strength and speed.
Windu would most likely take down Asajj or Grievous quite well.
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