The Jedi. Kit is at least on par with RODV Darth Vader and could probably even beat him while Obi-Wan would only have a little trouble with Asajj and would definately win.
If Vader can beat Ben Kenobi, he can defeat the weaker Obi-Wan. The choreography argument is a valid one so why not use it when dealing with OT characters.
RotS is much stronger than Ben. Ben was hiding from the Empire; he had no reason to train whatsoever. If you can provide some proof of Ben's training between RotS and ANH then you'll have a point. Until then, your post is inconclusive.
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What are you talking about? ANH Ben was a very powerful individual. What makes you think he had no reason to train? You forget he learned from Qui Gon on Tatooine.. I would put him about ROTS Obiwan any day..
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The fact that there is going to be a postROTS book on him and other jedi in hiding. He's obviously going to be doing stuff in those books. And it is also clear at the end of ROTS that he would be trained by both the spirit of Qui-Gon Jinn and Yoda. And also, what do you think he was doing in hiding. He clearly would have spent much time meditating and what not. So far it is very logical to assume that he would become stronger. Have I directly quoted GL saying so? No but I think that it is pretty obvious that he grew stronger.
Qui-Gon most likely taught him about mental aspects and the Force, not physical fighting power. Ben was good, but RotS Kenobi was better. He had no reason for physical training because he would never use them.
You're acting as if he completely gave up. Do you really think he was just going to die peacefull while Sidious and Vader ruled the galaxy. He and Yoda clearly had plans for the future. In the time between ROTS and ANH, there are plenty of things that Kenobi might have done. It is defenite that he contacted other surviviors of the purge and he might have even tried to gather all the jedi to reform the old order into a new secret order. He might have even contacted people like Ventress and Vos. There are a hell of a lot of things that he could have and probably would have in between ROTS and ANH.
During this time, Kenobi spent years communing with the Force. Through meditation, he made contact with the spirit of Qui-Gon Jinn. His former Master had discovered the secret of immortality, a way of preserving his identity in the netherworld of the Force. Obi-Wan studied from him, learning this ability.
That's from the databank, and I would have to say Kenobi wasn't doing much physical training, i.e. lightsaber combat. I'm sure he learned more of the Force, and the aspects of it and such, but his lightsaber and combat skills seem they would've diminished over the years.
And, still ROTS Obi-Wan would best ANH Obi-Wan, he's probably been without using his saber, and keeping up with it for quite awhile. Also, it's not like ANH Ben was a supreme god of the Force anyways.
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Exactly, Sintas. And you're last post is correct, tdtd.
But a Secret Jedi Order? There's no use. Vader would've definetly sensed the unusual amount of Force there and gone there to hunt them down. Ben hadn't gave up, but he was done fighting. As was Yoda. All that they could do was train Luke to become a strong Jedi. Most of the remaining Jedi were dying because the Purge was still going on, Quinlan was like evil, and Asajj didn't want to fight anymore.
And Mace defeated Sidious because he was more battle hardened, he had seen alot more combat and was a better saber user. Obi-Wan also doesen't use offensive force powers so how would he take down ROTS Obi-Wan, force pushes????
Didn't GL say that Ben was just an old man in ANH hence why he was so slow and seemed so weak?
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Really? Mace may have bested Sidious in the pure saber fight, but it's still premature to call him the better duelist. Possibly a more "in shape" duelist?
Wait, since when did ANH Vader beating ANH Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan let him mean that RODV Vader could beat ROTS Obi-Wan who, by the way, is stronger than ANH Obi-Wan cause he's in far better shape, what with being a Clone Wars Hero while ANH Obi-Wan hasn't been doing alot for 19 years?
Yes, he is very strong, but all he did ovet the 19 years was get old amd out of shape wjile ROTS Obi-Wan was at the peak of his power, fresh out of the Clone Wars, tip-top shape. Over the 19 years Obi-Wan learned how to communicate with Qui-Gon but learning that only took at most a month, since by the end of RODV Obi-Wan was talking with Qui-Gon.
No - his job is to look after Luke. If he fails the Galaxy is doomed. For the most part when he's in those books he'll have roles like the one he had in RODV.
Yoda? Yoda's on a different planet.
Complaining about how much the water on tatioone costs, whatching Beru shot with Luke on a carrier in front of her, and talk with Cudgel's friends.
Yes. If you'd read ROTV you'd know that Obi-Wan thought the Jedi who went after Vader and tried to stop him where morons. He knew his only purpose in life from that point on was to watch over Luke.
Not to mention that Obi-Wan thought both Asajj and Quinlan were dead.
Yes, he was, stated by Lucas in the ANH AC during the beginning of the Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel.
Just an old man part is right, he never said he was weak, but it's clear he was weaker than he was in ROTS. he also said "By now Obi-Wan's the strongest good guy." meanong Obi-Wan (ANH) > Yoda (ANH)
Apr 3rd, 2006 04:32 AM
Yoda's on a different planet.
