1. While we don't see Kas'im do anything with the force, it's clear that his strength is immense given his defence against Bane's energy attack at the end of PoD. Ganner Rhysode never displayed anything too special with the force to my knowledge, Kas'im would be able to defend against anything he could throw at him.
2. Kas'im decimates him. He's far too strong in the force, fast, strong, and his mastery of the saber is the highest in the entire SW saga.
The Duel at the Well of the World Brain
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As you can see, Ganner is very impressive with the lightsaber. Thousands of Vong warriors died at his hands. With the Force, he was able to animate and collapse an entire chamber. Definately impressive. I hardly believe Kas'Im "decimates" him.
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He saw his opponent. He realized that he had to use every ounce of energy. He went all out and used all his powers. Even if it that was an exception (which it may not be), the fact is he is very powerful and that Kas'Im cannot decimate him.
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Tell me, how is it that if Ganner is able to do all those things when he goes all out, how in the world would be get decimated by Kas'Im in normal conditions? And note, this is if what Rhysode did was extreme. If he went all out against Kas'Im, if he was able to kill thousands of Vong, I'm sure he take on a Twi'Lek and defeat him.
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No, it isn't. Ganner going all out extreme is able to do magnificent feats. If he went all out on Kas'Im (not extreme), then I don't see how he gets decimated. Please, if you cannot admit it, then don't talk.
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Technically speaking, it isn't (since it's still continuing), but on a level, it should of been. Both Glentract and Sexyback were right. Kas'im would kill Ganner if he weren't to acquire that state with the Force. If he were to become an empowered by the Force to the point he did, he'd win.
Your point? Oops, you don't have one (seeing as this is irrelevant insomuch as he's only able to perform at this level when the Force is with him to the degree that it was at the entrance to the World Brain)!
What do you have to back up that assertion?
I'll break down the situation for you. In a nutshell, when Ganner become "The Ganner", he underwent a phase where he was letting the Force control his actions, at that point:
"He should just order the fool cut down--but Ganner didn't sound weak now or foolish.
The Force does more than give him strength, more than lift him, spin him: the Force surges though his veins to tune his heart to the rhythm of the Universe. He has become the Force, and the Force has become him. He is not directly aware of the sequence of his death; time vanished along with fear, and doubt, and pain in that eternal second when he surrendered his self-command." (Traitor, Chapter 13).
"The Force thunders through him, and he thunders through the Force. Letting slip the bonds of control, leaving aside conscious thought. He has become the battle." (Traitor, Chapter 14).
And there's even more references than just that, but the only reason he had been able to do that was because, as your source says, he "achieved oneness with the Force". It put to ease his aesthetic awareness, basically. Now, on the other hand, from what I'm gathering, your logic is "If he does feats X, Y, and Z while he was empowered by A, he must be good when not empowered by A". For one who claims to take Argumentation theory, you should know that's some faulty logic before even stating it.
Firstly, what do you actually know about Ganner? Everything? Nothing? It's apparent you don't know much, because this is stated in the same, exact book about Rhysode:
"[...]this was Ganner Rhysode, the weakling who could not even mount the causeway. Ganner Rhysode who got no respect from the other Jedi. Ganner the poser, the playactor. The joke." (Traitor, Chapter 13)
In essence, he's not a top notch Jedi until he comes to a realization, and the Force essentially effuses through his entire body, directing and taking over. It's hard to explain in a way that would get to the point cleanly (yes, "cleanly"), but it's quite obvious he sucks otherwise. And secondly - to further this point - Ganner himself knows it! Lol!
Ahem, read this:
"Make this weak, pathetic excuse for a Jedi get on with this sacrifice[...] (dialogue)
Everyone has to lie for me, he thought. Everyone has to pretend I'm not as pathetic and useless and weak as I really am...Sick of being a crappy Jedi, a mediocre pilot, and a bloody lousy leader of men. Sick of being a joke. Just sick." (Traitor, Chapter 13).
In normal circumstances and state, Ganner gets mauled. In uber state, he wins. To quote Sexyback, "there's nothing more to it".
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Chapter 5: Corran Horn: "They're Noghri, Ganner. Besides, I figured to tap you as one of my civilian observers. Figured you had to be equal of another dozen Noghri, right?"
Princess Leia in Balance Point says that Noghri were the most fearful things she'd ever seen next to the Empire(which is now beaten by the Yuuzhan Vong so that makes them the 3rd most fearful).
Ganner was amazingly gifted with TK btw. When he, Jacen and Corran along with some of Garqi's resistance were interfering with a Yuuzhan Vong training session, were planning to ambush them and capture live suspects, Jacen used the force to blow the hatch off the maintenance tunnel. Ganner used the force to blow it off and levitate out of the hole and used the cover to hit one of the Yuuzhan Vong. (That one died because its leg got stuck in the hole and it broke and Ganner proceded to kill it.)
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What is the book in which Ghanner TK's himself AND Corran Horn across a desert and back? In that one, its made pretty clear that Ghanner is >Horn. He did have a weak moment, one filled with fear, that's made obvious by Traitor. However, Advent, those quotes are referring to those moments of fear, not to his actual strength in the force. If i could remember the title of the book i'm thinking about, i believe pre-NJO, it would lend some credence to Rhysode's Combat ability, which at that time, is considerable.
Horn and Ganner witness two Yuuzhan Vong killing a slave. Ganner, being one of the more radical Jedi following Durron, was about to rush in when Horn, being very clever, made the smell of the dead slash rats which made him sick.
Corran was more clever than Ganner but he would be no match in a fight.
Vergere even says to Jacen Solo, "He was born to be a legend."
Kas'im was known for being a master with a lightsaber. Ganner was known for his TK.
Kas'im was obviously well with the force for his master to purchase him from slaves. But what I can't get is that his master payed for him instead of slaughtering his captors. Stupid Sith. The only good thing they did was invent Force Lightning.
Kas'im has a resistance to the Force but its like shooting at targets, eventually you'll have to hit it, and eventually a shield will break.
1. Ganner- Master of TK.
2. Kas'im- Master of lightsaber combat.
3. Ganner- I'm pretty sure that the force is more useful than a lightsaber, just stay far enough away from its reach and pull what Darth Vader did in Episode V, use TK to bombard your opponent with anything not nailed down.
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See, Kas'im falls into that, amazing swordsman, but not powerful force user category to me, like Obi-wan. In fact, that would make a good thread, because could Kas'im's saber mastery overcome Kenobi's Soresu. I thought Ghanner was one of the more powerful jedi, close to durron, before his death. (and thanks for the info on what book that was)
Dec 19th, 2006 01:14 PM
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