Lets say that the Empire won at Endor. That the rebel fleet was crushed, and the ground forces were slaughtered, and the Alliance fell apart. Palpatine killed Luke and Vader remained his apprentice. The Death Star II's construction was completed, and the Empire continued to build its other super weapons such as the two Eclipse class star dreadnoughts.
With this in mind, lets the say the Vong still invaded when they did. Do you think they would have been as successful as they were in conquering the galaxy, or would the military oriented Empire under the strong control of Palpatine be able to repel the invasion easier than the much less militaristic New Republic?
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The Empire kills them. After all, if the New Republic/Galactic Alliance could beat them, the Empire could win a lot faster and with less loss of life. Grand Admiral Thrawn knew the Vong were coming (Kinman Doriana warned him in Outbound Flight) and that's why he tried to restore the Empire: he knew they'd stand a better chance. The Empire should have won at Endor, anyway.
Here's a thought: If both of them won, who would fight the Vong better: Palpatine's Empire, or Thrawn's Empire with Palpatine's fleets? I'd think Thrawn, he wasn't blinded by things that Palpatine was. Plus he's a great mastermind and has Captain Pellaeon, another one of the best officers, at his side.
Palpatine's because Thrawn was apart of it Plus he would have these thing since the empire would have won. TheDeath Star II, The Eclipse dreadnoughts,Executor,Sun Crusher,World Devastators , Galaxy Gun, more troops,one Darth Vader and he himself is an advantage . His force storms would still work on vong ships right?
Edit: Even if Thrawn had the same fleets the (Palp's) empire would benefit from Vader and Palpatine.
Last edited by Elite Hunter on Dec 8th, 2007 at 01:24 AM
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True, though Vader and Palpatine were blinded by petty desires (like trying to turn Luke to the Dark Side) while Thrawn was clear in his plans, with no strange little sacrificing half your fleet to turn one person to the Dark Side. And even though Thrawn was part of Palp's Empire, he wouldn't be in command like he would in his own Empire. To quote Pellaeon: "Here, under the greatest military mind the Empire had ever seen.", meaning that having the greatest military mind (Thrawn) in charge might work better than having Palpatine and his little let's-kill-half-of-our-own-guys-so-we-can-possibly-turn-Luke-to-the-Dark-Side and Vader with his kill-everyone-that-opposes-me-even-if-they're-a-good-asset attitudes in charge. Good thought about Force Storms, though. Since the ships and biots of the Vong all were touched by the Force (I think) it would probably work on them.
Plus, Thrawn would have the Death Star II, Eclipses, Sun Crusher, World Devastators, Galaxy Gun, etc. under his own "brilliant" command.
These are just my views, though. You're probably right, but, hey, I've got nothing better to do right now than type on this forum. I must have contributed to about 10 different posts now...but oh well.
Turning Luke to the dark side is petty? Just think about this for a second. We know how powerful Luke becomes later on, now imagine all that power working for the Empire. Luke would be an excellent Grand Inquisitor or other dark sider of the Empire
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Last edited by fascistcrusader on Dec 8th, 2007 at 02:13 AM
The thing I like better about Palp's empire is because they have 3 people who are fully capable of leading the empire-Vader,Palps. and Thrawn (an argument can be made for Palleon) With this many great leaders Palpatine could spread them across the galaxy each with a substantial fleet and each with their own superweapon. Because none of them can be at all the battles that would occur. And for the record Luke is worth a lot to sidious plus another reason for the trap was to eliminate the rebels not just capture Luke. Another thing I believe would be beneficial is battle meditation which Thrawn made a comment about if Sidious was using it at Endor in "Heir to the Empire."
I'd have to agree here. Turning Luke to the DS isn't what I'd call "petty." Even with an extremely small amount of training, he was managing to come out of scraps with Vader (Jedi for thirteen years, Sith for about twenty, depending on exactly which encounter we're talking about) more or less in one piece (Save for an obvious exception). Even if Vader wasn't giving it his all, it's impressive that Luke could even stand up against him at all.
Then look at him a few decades down the line. With his power, and the proper training, I could easily see Palpatine (Or Vader, if he and Luke killed Palps) taking him as an apprentice.
Wasn't it Admiral Ackbar who finally came up with the correct strategy for defeating the Vong though? Can we assume he died at Endor, and THAT brilliant military mind ceased to be a resource?
Dec 4th, 2007 05:33 AM
Plus he would have these thing since the empire would have won. TheDeath Star II, The Eclipse dreadnoughts,Executor,Sun Crusher,World Devastators , Galaxy Gun, more troops,one Darth Vader and he himself is an advantage . His force storms would still work on vong ships right?
