Tulak Hord is basically a complete unknown. He was an exceptional duelist - by Kraya's word, far superior to anyone in the KotOR era - but that's as far as we can get.
Well I would definitely put Kas'im above Tulak Hord given that:
a) He was declared to be the greatest swordsman (period) of his age, and possibly the greatest ever, whereas Tulak Hord was declared the best lightsaber wielder of just one race (albeit a powerful and warlike one) that mostly used Ancient Sith Swords.
b) Kas'im is declared as much by an omniscient narrator, whereas Tulak's reputation stems from a fallible in-universe character.
c) Unlike Tulak Hord, Kas'im's actual prowess is elaborated on to such a degree that based on what we know (his extremely high mastery of all forms for virtually all forms of lightsaber), he's greater than any other character featured in the mythos in that regard, and aside from that he displays some pretty impressive strength in the Force and physical capabilities that we simply don't get to see from Tulak.
However Exar Kun would possess the very same advantage that enabled Bane to completely dominate the mentioned Twilek in a lightsaber battle, and to a greater degree based on what we know, so I'm thinking Exar wins this one.
I agree with Nebaris on this one. One thing that bothers me with Hord is that he probably used an archaic lightsaber with the whole power-pack so it wouldn't have the the same motion as lightsabers used in kotors age and beyond.
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Then that's even more impressive that he can use a primitive lightsaber to be a better duelist than anyone in his age when they used swords that can contend with mode modern lightsabers.
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We have to take on account those are only Kreia's words, they are not necessarily fact. I mean, she also said "Masters from this era are like children playing with toys, compared to the ancient masters" (not exact quote). Would you honestly believe that? Would you honestly believe Revan is a 'child playing with a toy' compared to them? I hardly think so.
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No I wouldn't, and the same goes for Malak,Ulic,Kun,etc. I doubt they were like children. And if Tulak did use an archaic saber than once the cord to the power-pack is cut than the saber is useless. I would love to see Tulak in action.
IF the Sith since Tulak are really like chldren playing with toys compared to him, I say he takes it. If not, then it's unknown because that makes Tulak a complete unknown.
Of course, Revan was only an example. And I know as a FACT, they are not 'like childen playing with toys' in comparrison. Exar Kun and Revan would be able to give 'the most devastating foe the darkness had ever seen' a hard time, who is equal to 'the most powerful Sith Lord ever'.
Apparently, 'children playing with toys' does not exactly apply.
What feats does Revan have exactly?
Some nameless rituals?
All these uber powers being derived from..gasp..the Ancient Sith themselves.
Might as well say Atris could give the "old masters" a run for their money because she read some Sith history.
All these powers and abilities are found on planets where an entire race practired and learned them for centuries.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
That's exactly my point... How could Revan possibly be a 'child playing with toys' if everything he has learned came from the Ancient Sith themselves...?
And.. what? 'What feats does Revan exactly have'? I'm afraid you have to play KOTOR once again... Oh, and have you heard of a very powerful Sith, who lived around 1,000 BBY, called Darth Bane? Well, guess who he learned from...
Besides, you can't argue, my friend. Would you disagree Exar Kun would give Yoda a tough battle? I doubt it.
How did Revan learn everything from the Ancients? He was a Jedi for how many years before he even became a Sith? I'm sure he learned most of his saber skills from them.
I know what feats Reven has. Believe me, not many. Want to know his best feat? I'm sure you can guess it - defeating SF Malak. Except you can't quantify how powerful Malak was then or even how Revean beat the Jawless Wonder.
So...what do you have?
Except Exar had both a better display of abilities and a better learnign source. Revan learned some shit from an Ancient Sith training academy...Exar learned from the #2 Sith from teh Ancient's Golden Age.
Sadly most of Revan's quantified feats come from wen he was Darth Revan.
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I do consider Bane powerful. But he didn't even use a lot of the stuff Revan taught him as seen in the highly publicized quote about techniuqes Bane thought too dangerous.
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Tulak Hord, with ease. Tulak Hord is (or so I remember) the only Sith Lord to ever die from old age. His apprentices or the Jedi could never kill him. Tulak Hord used thirteen lightsabers; 12 small ones that moved around him and one normal one. He only used the normal one rarely, since he didn't need it.
Once, for example, Tulak Hord defeated thirteen Jedi Knights and one Jedi Master. One of the knights got through his defence, and he needed to use his own saber to kill him, and he was angry about it. When there was only a Jedi Master left, who was extremely skilled in battle prediction (he could tell where is opponent was going to strike even before the opponent pretty much knew it himself) he stopped the twelve shorter lightsabers, and used the longer one out of respect. Needless to say, he won, but there was one close call, when the opponent did a fancy trick. Tulak survived, and he did the same trick that the Jedi Master did to kill him, for he was impressed by it.
Out of my memory I don't remember more of his battles. (I'll check up more later today, if wanted)
I said before that Tulak Hord was the only Sith Lord to die from old age, well, he didn't die from old age LITERALLY, but by his own hand. When he was really old, and fading in power, he called up one of his Sith followers and asked him to bring him his lightsaber. When his apprentice was handing it out, Tulak activated it, killing himself. (For he knew he was fading in power because of his old age, and would not be able to defeat some of the challengers in the future.) His apprentice was shocked, even though he just became a Sith Lord, since the others thought he killed Tulak.
What Kreia said is indeed true, with Tulak Hord
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