This is not to say Yoda cannot win but what does Yoda use to take Kun down? Please do not say because he is simply stronger in the force because we have no way of measuring by how much.
when does a jedi kill someone using only the force? that's pretty much considered going to the darkside isn't it? what is one example of a jedi killing someone with the force only? If a jedi is TK'ing a sith all over the place, he is still supposed to stop before he kills the sith, somewhere after disabling him.
Yoda is more powerful in the force. This fight is rigged.
Yoda is stronger in the force. What do you mean what does he use to take him down? Hell I don't know, force push, TK, whatever the hell else he has that was enough to stalemate Sidious. Bottom line is Kun goes down.
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It depends on the context. Yoda almost certainly has higher knowledge of the Force, and much more time spent using it. His higher levels of Tk are impressive too, plus he could absorb Sith Lightning with his hands which is difficult to do.
Offensively, Yoda doesn't behave like a Sith, so he does have a disadvantage there. He'll be consistently having to defend himself or try to overpower Kun's raw power all over the place, and can only hope to KO him by either knocking him into a wall or dropping something on him.
The light side offers some advantages. Yoda has no issues using his TK to kill when the situation demands, or letting the enemy exhaust themselves, or throwing their attacks back at them, and I seriously doubt he'd have much of an issue using Malacia or Morichro to disable or even kill an enemy.
Or snap a sneck with the force, or crush someone against the wall...look what Dooku did to Obi-wan...Jedi have been using light side powers to overpower and defeat dangerous enemies since the Order's inception.
There are plenty of ways Yoda can KO Kun. And given his incredible power in the light side, he'll be capable of defending himself.
In the Yoda and Dooku fight, Yoda pretty much took everything that Dooku threw at him and sent it back. Though it did not seem easy for Yoda to do so. Now if Yoda had try to drop something on Dooku's head I believe he would have succeeded after sometime.
I guess one question would be does Kun have more powerful force attacks than Dooku?
Can Yoda defend against all of them or throw them back at Kun?
If Yoda decides to drop something on Kun's head can he resist or escape the assault?
As you can tell I do not know any of the answers.
Lightsnake I like your response!
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Yoda's almost certainly stronger in the Force than Kun. Kun does display an incredibly vast array of techniques, but then again - Yoda knows numerous Force techniques himself.
Without the amulets Kun loses at least 7 out of 10 times. It's probably close, though.
Well Yoda resisted all of Dooku's force attacks with ease. He slammed Sidious across the room with a powerful force push. He even absorbed a lightning attack from Sidious, who was probably the most skilled user of the technique. So i don't see how he would have much trouble from Kun.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
How did he resist Dooku's attacks with ease? Surely did not seem that way in the movie. It definitely took effort for Yoda to stop Dooku's TK powers and force lighting. It was not like Yoda just wave his hand and stop all of Dooku's attacks. My point is does Kun has more power techniques or not? Can Kun defeat Dooku in a force fight? If so he would definitely cause Yoda problems and might have a chance at defeating him.
I do not see how someone who as a spirit was able to cause Luke issues is so inferior to Yoda when it comes to the force. I do not see Dooku being able to do any of the things that Kun did to Jedi masters of his time or as spirit to someone as powerful as Luke.
Well if you go by how it looked in the movies, Yoda seems to do it with ease. Every TK attack Dooku threw at Yoda seems to merely shrugg it off. The only thing Yoda seemed to have a hard time with, was keeping the heavy pillar from falling on Anakin and Kenobi.
I don't see how Yoda, fighting the most powerful sith in history, would be matched by Kun.
I am not going to argue about how we view the movie scene because our opinions definitely differ there. However I will mention this, if Yoda was so much superior to Dooku in force abilities and block his attacks with ease, why didn't he simply freeze Dooku from moving as he did Ventress in the new star wars clone series?
Since Yoda has superior TK abilities he could have taken Dooku's sabers away from him as he did to Ventress in the new clone war series, why didn't he since he wanted to capture Dooku? The logical conclusion he could not. It was not so easy for Yoda and would not be against Kun either.
You seem to be basing your win on the simple fact the Yoda is mostly liking more powerful, but again by how much? Whereas Mace would be a match for Yoda with a saber why wouldn't Kun with the force? Unless you are also saying Kun is inferior to Dooku with it comes to the force.
if you wanna go off that logic why didnt anakin actually move instead of stand there in AOTC when Dooku cut his right arm off? He clearly has time.
or why did Darth Maul just watch obi-wan jump over him instead of cut him in half when he was coming up from the pit?
and Yoda isnt "most likly" more powerful than kun. He IS more powerful than Kun the ROTS novelization clearly states that yoda (at that point in time) was the most powerful Jedi the sith had ever known or seen or something like that.
First thing your examples are not good ones. I do not know what time you are referring that Anakin had. Dooku clearly caught him with a move the same way Anakin did to him in ROTS.
Maul could have killed Obi Wan but was clearly tauting him. His arrogance got him killed as was caught off guard and clearly did not expect Obi Wan to be able execute the force technique that he did. How does that apply to my example?
Also you statement about Yoda being the most powerful Jedi base upon that statement is up for debate and has been debated plenty of times already on this forum. Yoda being able to battle against Sidious and to even make Sidious run initially is a much better example.
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Dooku mentions Yoda's "handling" of the Sith lightning; the omniscient narrator of the AotC novel says it was "far from easy."
Even if Dooku directly stated that Yoda easily deflected his assault, omnisicient narrator > him.
The most powerful for the darkness had ever known. That automatically makes him more powerful than Kun, who was, y'know, not at all the Dark Lord of the Sith. And even if he were, everybody knows that Sith Lords are foes of the darkness. Logic ftw.
Watch AOTC if you will see an odd gap where Anakin just stops and "lets" Dooku cut off his arm.
clearly taunting him? If you are referring to him slashing his lightsaber down at obi while he is hanging on for his life then yes you are right, but there are 2-3 seconds when obi-wan is i dunno RIGHT in front of Maul and he just stands there and watches as obi wan comes up flips over hims then looks at him right before obi-wan cuts him in half, where Maul could have easily killed obi-wan but he doesn't.
the ROTS novelization says
"Finally, he saw the truth.
This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known... just-didn't-have it."
he was the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known. I don't understand how you don't see that Yoda is quite a bit above Kun(without his amulets) in force power.
Yes, from what the novelization says I would deffinantly say that yoda is more powerful than Kun.
and with all due respect since when was Kun NOT a sith?
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