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If you could write the ending of Star Wars...
Okay, I've had this thought for a long time now so I figured I'd discuss it.
Well, let's face the truth- Star Wars can't go on forever. Well, it certainly can't go on forever while still being quality fiction- soon enough (and with LotF, 'soon enough' can be changed to 'right now'), Star Wars will degenrate and become a messy, unreadable piece of crap. So... do you believe it is possible to write a suitable ending for Star Wars? If so, what is your proposal?
Here's my opinion:
First off, I personally believe that the idea of the Jedi vs. Sith conflict persisting after RotJ is ridiculous, and undermines both Luke and Anakin's role in the grand scheme of things. Anakin was the Chosen One, and apparently, 'balance' to the force means the eradication of the Dark Side. He didn't, and apparently even Luke is, ultimately, something of a failure, if we look at the events of Legacy. So, basically, the two most important characters in Star Wars are, in the grand scheme of things- just that. Important characters. Not necessarily more important than other innovative Jedi or Sith who brought changes to the Galaxy.
BS, I say. It makes the OT and the PT- supposedly the 'heart' of Star Wars- seem almost pointless, considering that they were just more major events in the galaxy that would eventually change and become less and less important.
I believe I have a way to make the ending of Star Wars compelling and logical. More likely than not, somebody already thought of it. I sure as hell already said it, if you recall. I'm just gonna list it in a more detailed form.
Basically, everything proceeds as normal, until RotJ. Wipe the events of everything post RotJ off-the-map. And remake RotJ. First off, and most importantly, NO GODDAMN EWOKS! Make the movie MUCH darker. Show Luke Skywalker struggling with the philosophies of the Jedi and the view of the Force itself, rather than just its techniques. And in the climax, instead of having Vader turn to the light side, kill the Emperor, and allow Luke to escape, have Luke die on the Death Star. Purposefully. From the final understand of the concept of 'balance of the force'.
Think about it for a second. The force, theoretically, exists as two primary entities- the Dark Side and the Light Side. However, when unnaturally powerful users of the force- namely the Jedi- exist, they bend the force and cause it to become 'unbalanced'. And while some of you may argue "Hey! Lightsiders only do good! Why shouldn't they exist?", the sad truth is, without the Jedi, the Sith would not exist. Sith are Jedi who have been corrupted by power, greed, corruption, arrogance- basically, those who have lost all restraint on the force's vast power. And, after all, Jedi and Sith are mere mortals granted god-like powers. Mortals with mortal flaws. And we know that power corrupts- there isn't such thing as someone who is truly incorruptible. You can't expect mortals to permanently resist temptations- which is why, if there are Jedi, there will always be those who corrupted by the force's unnatural power and turn to the Dark Side. This is why having godlike powers wielded by people who are basically like us is wrong, dangerous, and 'unbalanced'.
And so, with the Sith all dead and Luke the final remaining Jedi, the opportunity is perfect. Kill the last Jedi, and for the first time in Galactic history, truly restore balance by eliminating the existence of people who can develop god complexes and be tempted by power. Such power obviously cannot be handled by a large group of individuals- even Luke's order spawned Sith like Darth Caedus. Even after his death, the Sith still exist in the much more powerful form of Darth Krayt's Empire. History will always repeat itself if any Jedi is to survive. Luke will realize this, and therefore let himself be killed when the Death Star explodes- which is the only way to eliminate the potential rise of Sith afterwards. By destroying the Jedi.
Now granted, that's a little dark. But it seems like the best ending, to me.
I do, however, see a massive problem due to the fact that force-sensitives will still be born, and Jedi and Sith teachings still exist. Oh hell, I'm gonna have to think about that some more.
Anyways, enough with my ranting. So, how do you think SW should end? If it should end at all? Discuss, and please offer reasons.
Registered: Oct 2008
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Re: If you could write the ending of Star Wars...
Very nice. 92 for the story. Personally, I want the same, but Luke is killed by Vader, then Vader kill the Emperor, then Vader think wisely about death of the Force (sounds Kreia), then he stays at Death Star II and boom, a big bang because of 3 powerful force users get killed. Awesome.
I think this has to do with how EU authors look at the series as opposed to say Lucas. EU authors are working with the full spectrum of all the information that has been written and produced outside of the movies. Lucas picks and chooses what he wants to use and goes from there since well as we know he doesn’t pay much attention to the EU unless it contradicts something he said or laid down. That the OT was supposed to be the end of the Sith probably seems sort of minor to EU authors (and probably to Lucas, who gets royalties for all the shit that these author’s produce).
Another thing on the historical viewpoint of the PT/OT era is that while this era is supposed to be the most important period of Star Wars. In history, there is no such thing as the most important time period. Alexander’s conquests of Asia, Augustus becoming the first Roman Emperor, the formation of Han China, World II etc… all these periods of time were hugely important, but none of them can be called the most important period in history.
I would disagree that using the Force is unbalanced. This requires you to define what is balanced and then prove that using the Force creates imbalance.
Darksiders can exist without the specific Jedi order because the Jedi are simply an organization of Force users with, like any religion, their own dogma, rules and regulations. The Sith are no different, they are not the Dark Side; they are a religious institution that practices the Dark Side. Both groups have radically different ideas on how to get things done (the Sith being primarily social Darwinists with the Jedi being moral deontologists), but the concept is the same. In terms of dualism, it s the Dark Side itself, that can’t exist without the Light and vise versa.
It is a fallacy to assume that the Jedi are the cause for the existence of Darksiders. The Rakta were throwing the Dark Side around before the first Jedi existed. The Jedi are the cause for the majority of the known Darksiders, but to assume that Darksiders must come from Jedi is incorrect.
This merely kills of the last members of two opposing religious orders. The Force will still exist and people with the genetic predisposition to use the Force will still exist as you note below.
A more suitable approach to the "Peace Through Death" approach would be the eradication of the Force itself, ala Kreia. Unless that happens then it will only be a matter of time until more Force-sensitives collect the will and discipline needed to become a new Order. There would always be fallible mortals toying with ethereal powers... unless those powers stopped existing.
Besides, as much as I dislike the many "Returns of the Sith" following RotJ, it'd be boring and give Star Wars a sense of incompleteness without Luke reestablishing the Jedi. IMO I've got no problem with Dark Siders like Jerec or Desann etc. stirring up trouble.
What I dislike is Dark Siders returning to a Sith mantle, who themselves have been trained by a legitimate Sith. Cuz that tends to make them a Sith, thereby negating the Prophecy. Palaptine-Vader-Vergere/Lumiya-Caedus=GAY.
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Registered: Oct 2008
Location: In a galaxy far, far away
I often see the phrase "Gay Jedi" in all 4 forums of Star Wars. Anybody care to explain what is Gay Jedi?
And George Lucas probably doesn't care about EU, as long as it doesn't contradict with the movies and he gets the money. He's a human after all. But I think we'll be very happy to remake the OT with same story for Episode 4 and Episode 5, Episode 6 with my story, and expand the story, also improve the effects and dueling scenes. Maybe remake the PT too, but it's just my opinion.
Off topic, but I have a question. Do someone like Star Wars : Clone Wars (the 3D movie, with Ahsoka Tahno)? Pesonally I don't like it at all. Too childish, even for a 15-year-old kid.
And no offense, but I don't like the post-Episode 6 at all. Except for JKII and JKIII game. Those are the only good things from post-Episode 6.
Last edited by Ultimate Vader on Nov 2nd, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Registered: Apr 2008
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No matter how much he cares, Lucas >>> any EU author. He IS, for all intents and purposes, the god of Star Wars- therefore, his intentions for Star Wars > the EU's.
Especially when there are ****jobs like Karen Traviss running around reducing the Clone Wars to a minor, insignificant conflict.
True that. On the other hand, however, numerous periods of time- from WWII to the industrial revolution to the first empires have left permanent marks on the face of the Earth. If we look at SW from an EU point of view, it's just another period. Jedi all die, Sith take over the world, Jedi rises and kills Sith, Jedi starts Jedi Order, Sith take over the galaxy again. See?
Besides, Star Wars is a story. It's not real-life, and clearly the movie period is supposed to be the heart of Star Wars. The 'chosen one' should have a lasting impact.
Well, no, I cannot properly say because no EU piece suggested that the usage of the force resulted in imbalance.
Think for a second about what the force is, though. It's hard to define it, but I would assume that it's a force field of sorts that exists in order to, well, create, sustain, and end life in all of its forms. Living generated the force, too, if we go by Obi-Wan's explanation of the force. It was also implied that it had some sort of conscious thought, like something of a quasi-god- albeit not one like the gods seen in mythology an' all.
However, there is the fact that some children are born with more midichlorians than others- I'd assume that those midichlorians are the biological necessity in order to absorb, produce, and 'channel' the force. Yet, why are certain children born with an amount of midichlorians that enables them to manipulate virtually limitless power to their will? Mutation, perhaps? What results in the unnatural level of midichlorians those Jedi possess? To that, an answer is never given. However, I would theorize that the idea of someone being able to manipulate the most powerful force (no pun intended) in the galaxy- a metaphysical, omnipotent force- is 'unbalanced'.
Whatever the Jedi say, using the force in any way that isn't natural is mutating it to your own ends, whether or not they are selfish. Why are some people more in tune with the force than others? That answer cannot be properly given, but indeed, it would appear that the very idea of being born with an extra connection to the force- and the ability to gain knowledge and manipulation of it- would create an unbalance in the balance of powers in the world. This is like children are born with the ability to use a portion of god's power. Whatever might be said, mortals with the ability to manipulate the 'life field' that is the force seems rather... unnatural.
True, but the first Sith were born out of the Jedi- the Jedi came first and the Sith twisted their idealogy to more selfish intents. Did any group of dark siders ever thrive without the existence of so-called 'light side' practioners? It can be argued that without the first Sith, the Dark Side religion- a harmful and devastating religion- would never have developed.
However, like I said before, it's impossible to expect mortals with godly powers to remain infallible in the face of corruption. Whenever there are lightsiders who utilize the force in an unnatural way, dark siders will exist once more. Therefore, preserving the Jedi- once there is only one left- will inevitably result in an endless cycle of Sith rising and falling.
Yes, you're right about this. Though, the most destructive brand of dark side-wielding people- namely the Sith- came directly from the Jedi, and would not exist without them.
Now, note that this is purely theoretical and hypothetical. Let's think the force has some sort of conscious thought, alright? And let's assume that it will be balanced if there will be no people actively practicing it alive. I believe that if the force is restored to pure stability without people manipulating it to their own ends, it's possible that force-sensitive children will no longer be born, and instead everyone will receive the same dosage of sensitivity to the force. That will truly be balance.
Oct 31st, 2008 09:56 PM
