because the borg can make the most noobish of enemies into skilled warriors who can adapt to be protected by most weaponry, the borg soon have millions on their side, enough to outnumber pretty much any threat.
Star Wars stomp. The Empire alone could take the Federation (easily) and the Federation has been able (during ST:Voyager) to contend militarily with the Borg. By dint of ABC logic the Empire wins. I'll come up with a few numbers if you want me to, but my master's site would make it much more clear.
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Also fact: the Death Star would vaporize any number of hives (series Finale Voyager) or cubes or hypercubes or what have you that the Borg try to come up with.
Also Fact: Star Wars's Energy Output is massively greater than Star Trek. Not only are their lasers more powerful, their ships are faster (Hyperdrive >>>>>>[times infinity]>>>>>>>> Warp Drive) and more maneuverable.
A few of the moderates I've spoken to are insistent on Star Trek's speed and range superiority. Course their examples contradict them brilliantly.
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Speaking of the Borg, EU has supplied that a Sith Lord named Belia Darzu used a 'techno-virus' to turn her followers into lobotomized cyborg warriors, who could then spread the virus to their enemies and effectively recruit them... yes, EU ripped off the Borg sort of.
Stardestroyer.net is not a reliable source at all. Its a fanboy site nothing more. Anyway Trek ships are far faster in normal space and more manevarable. Full impulse is 25% the speed of light.
A Death Star w/ 1,000,000+ Troopers, land/sea various aircraft, fighters, and two Sith ords in Palpatine and Vader is not a good thing for any ship in TrekUniverse.
You can't judge the speed in the SW films (or ST probably) to be what you see, hell based on what know Yoda (and others such as Made Windu) from the novels he is moving as a "blur" or "faster then eye could follow" but you can't show that on screen.
Last edited by Elite Hunter on Dec 14th, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Nothing it says is actually wrong, so the fact that you disagree with is (especially without backing up your assertion that it is off base) shows you to be the only one with a bias in this situation. Do you have any proof that any of Wong's points are off base?
Star Wars ships are faster in 'non-real space' and they also have interdictors, which make the Warp Drive useless.
In tactical engagements, which occur in what you have so cleverly called 'normal space' the Empire (Star Wars) uses vastly different tactics than does the Federation. The Federation has only medium sized capital ships, none of which will be able to touch a star destroyer. The Federation's ships' speed in relation to that of the Empire's capital ships is irrelevant anyway because it is the fighters that would be causing the most damage.
The Federation's point defense system would do well against the swarm tactics of the Empire's fighters, but it would render them vulnerable to the big guns of the Capital Ships. Turbolasers have been shown to target corvettes (ANH) so they are very accurate. The Federation's evasive capacity consists of beggining a slow curve away from the enemy. When Picard (or, for that matter Janeway) issued an order to begin evasive action, the only movement seen is a small, gradual change in course. The Empire's gunners, accustomed to shooting at fast moving fighters will tear the Federation apart.
In summation: SD isn't invalid "just 'cause." There has to be a reason that it isn't valid, other than the fact that you disagree with the logical outcome of analyzing the facts. Star Wars's (and especially the Empire's) battle capacity simply outclasses that of the Federation.
Indeed. I think the Empire just outclasses the Feds in every way just like you said. They have far more resources,industrial capacity and better tech. In treks favor is faster speed in normal space and better capacity to adapt. The Empire wins
Dec 9th, 2008 10:47 PM
FER TEA!!
