Scenario, the Yuuzhan Vong have invaded the Old Republic Sith Empire. Who wins this epic war? Take into account all weapons, troops, etc etc. Would the powerful dark side Sith Lords be able to defeat the Vong or would the Vong crush the Sith?
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Assuming Sadow has full cooperation from Ludo Kressh and the other members of the Sith Council, he has a decent shot. Sadow's battle meditation is pretty obviously superior to the Vong yammosks and he probably would have taken Coruscant if it hadn't been for Gav's interference. He can also cause stars to go nova, which is a huge ace-in-the-hole and potentially devastating weapon. Also, he and his Council of Sith Lords are really well versed in Sith alchemy and unnatural manipulation of life themselves, and may be able to counter Vongforming and some of their bio-engineered plagues, with a little practice.
I have no idea how many warriors Sadow has at his disposal, though. The Vong probably outnumber them significantly. But again, with battle meditation and the ability to wipe out entire solar systems with his superweapon, the odds certainly even out.
I'd give Sadow's Empire a 50-50 chance at beating the Vong. Exar Kun's Empire probably an 80-20 chance.
They've got absolutely no shot at beating the Vong. They won't be able to sense their presence through the force, their ships are outdated compared to the Vong, and in terms of weapons and sheer numbers, they'll get annihilated.
Sorry man, but this is absolutely wrong. There is no way whatsoever that the Sith have any hope of defeating the Vong. Sadow can make a few stars go nova; the Vong can drop a few moons on Sith worlds. Basically the same effect.
The Vong outnumber the Sith more than 10 to 1. Probably like 100 to 1. The Sith have no weapons capable of hurting the Vong ships. The supernova weapon only worked when Sadow was being closely pursued. The Vong will see it starting and leave the system. Ship-to-ship, there's nothing the Sith can do. The Vong ships are way more than a match for any ship prior to the Galatic Empire/very later Old Republic (Venators or Victory star destroyers).
Exar's empire....same thing.
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Is this the Sith Empire AND the Old Republic or the Sith Empire at the time of the Old Republic (apparently Sadow's Empire according to Darth Truculent)? It appears to be the latter
Sith Empire as of Naga Sadow's time would be horribly outdated in terms of weapons technology by a few milenia, not to mention that the sith wouldn't be used to not being able to affect their enemies with the Force. The YV stomp.
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The Vong had to land on Sernpidal in order to do the moon trick. They did similar with moving Coruscant and her moons. Vong ground forces would be massacred by Massassi and Sith Lord troops.
For one, I have no idea if that's true or not, and I'm betting neither do you. Secondly, Naga Sadow can create illusions to more than make up for the numbers. And the illusions actually kill. Thirdly, Sith sorcery could come up with mutated monstrosities like terentateks or Sith wyrms, except suited to hunt Vong life (think reverse-voxyn.)
Come again?
I assume Sadow is intelligent enough to place interdictors at the systems exit vectors before triggering the star's explosion, although I could be reaching. He used his battle meditation from multiple systems away, afterall.
Yeah, the technology gap is huge, maybe. I'm not really sold on the superiority a gap of 5,000 years would normally have. Afterall, apparently they had Star Destroyers 3,500 years before the Galactic Empire's existence. Technology doesn't seem to advance all that much in the Star Wars universe, and Sadow's fleets looked fine to me. The illusions which would give him more numbers and the unity with which they would work because of Sadow's battle meditation would make up for it, IMO.
I'm not saying the Sith Empire would win. I just don't think they'd be blown out, either.
Technology DOES advance within the SW universe. Caedus called ships from the Clone Wars "ancient hardware", and Niathal called them "a flying junkyard" compared to LOTF era ships. Imagine what they'd think of several thousand year old ships. There's a reason why the Old Republic ships aren't used by the Galactic Alliance anymore.
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I think by far the biggest advance would be shields on the starfighters...whereas the Sith fleet didn't even have shields on their capital ships. That would be hard to overcome. But then, the Sith had over 100 capital ships in their fleet...
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I don't know if it was just Sadow's resources, or if it was the combined might of the entire Sith Empire, but they had about a hundred Derriphan-class battleships (which is what Naga Sadow's flagship was.) I'm not positive if they have other capital ships aside from that class. I would assume so. From Heritage of the Sith:
"....the size and scope of the Sith Empire rivaled that of the Old Republic."
EDIT: Also, why is 100 a small number to you guys? You've read the battles throughout the NJO era, right? 10-12 capital ships per side is considered a huge battle.
The Battle of Coruscant had how many capital ships? The "ambush" the Imperials set up for the entire Rebal "fleet" was 30 capital ships led by a super capital ship. The Wookiee entry for the Fall of Coruscant listed multiple capital ships that numbered in the hundreds (read: plural hundred) on the Vong side. Halfway down the list of participating classes the "Suuv Ban D'Krid", each 740 meters in length, numbered in the "100+". And that wasn't the big ship-class of the invasion. The pages purports the presence of "tens of thousands" of Yuuzhan Vong ships.
That's not the entire Yuuzhan Vong Fleet either. Their fleet, fresh at the initial onslaught, with highly advanced bio-tech that that the 25 ABY-era galaxy couldn't compete against vs. The Sith fleet of 3600 years-in-the-past technology, controlled and filled with untold numbers of members of an organization that has come to rely on an ethereal energy field that the Vong don't exist in.
Yeah. The Vong are screwed.
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That would be a huge advantage, given that from what I remember ships in SW battles tend to get blown up quite easily as soon as their shields go down.
Oh, and although there are implications that the ancient SW era was superior technologically to the Ruusan era (but not to the movies and after SW era, which is the most advanced so far bar perhaps the Celestials), the latter had a long range rifle that had a range of just 300 meters (compared to the 10 kilometers of a DC 15 or whatever the clone troopers' standard rifle was), still fired in "volleys" and their blasters were apparently so slow loading that a squad of the most elite Republic soldiers could only get off two or so shots before a sith lord cut them down.
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Doesn't the Dark Reaper drain Force energy? Aren't the YV lacking of Force energy to begin with?
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The Vong have a tech advantage but I'm pretty sure the Sith could whip up a arcane version of Redwhatever....
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Alpha Red.
And yeah, after Destiny's Way (or whatever book the battle of Ebaq 9 took place in) I found almost every other NJO book after that virtually pointless. They could've wrapped up the series in like, 14 books rather than 19.
Alpha Red reminded the GA too much of Vietnam. Bad memories and all.
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I mean, the Vong are alive...
