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Nephthys
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Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Revan

The setting is the Jedi Temple.

RotS Kenobi vs Revan Revan.


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Hard to tell as we really don't have any saber feats for Revan.

But he is far more powerful when it comes to the force...

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Well Revan did struggle against the Emperor's Non-Force Sensitive guards in a saber fight.

However, I believe Nyriss at one point says that those guards could stop her from leaving so they might be pretty good I guess.


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"I was Sith, I am Jedi, I roll scars, I endorse Genocide. I even have a purple saber. I am Revan!"

..... If only he had said that in the Flashpoint...

I'd say Saber-wise, Obi-wan. Force, Revan,


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Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
"I was Sith, I am Jedi, I roll scars, I endorse Genocide. I even have a purple saber. I am Revan!"

..... If only he had said that in the Flashpoint...
Whatever faults Drew and TOR instilled in him, that line would instantly make him the coolest character evah.


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Re: Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Revan

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Originally posted by Nephthys
The setting is the Jedi Temple.

RotS Kenobi vs Revan Revan.

My friend, what were you thinking when you made this thread?

Revan will demolish Kenobi.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well Revan did struggle against the Emperor's Non-Force Sensitive guards in a saber fight.

However, I believe Nyriss at one point says that those guards could stop her from leaving so they might be pretty good I guess.

Revan did not struggled against the Imperial Guard in a lightsaber duel. He quickly demolished one with his lightsaber duels.

Revan is actually very good with lightsaber. He did really well against the Mandalorians on Rekkiad with his skills with the lightsaber.

Besides, the Imperial Guards are formidable combatants.

SWTOR Codex entry:

The ultimate non-Force sensitive fighters in the Empire serve the Emperor and the Emperor alone. Although most citizens know them as protectors of the Sith Academy on Korriban and the sanctum of the Citadel on Dromund Kaas, the guardsmen’s mandate takes them wherever the Emperor requires. Even the Dark Council has neither control nor oversight of the guard’s activities. Clad in blood-red robes and armor, Imperial Guardsmen serve for life. Chosen for duty and initiated through deadly tests and traditions, those too old for active duty become instructors for the next generation until their skills deteriorate to the point where they are inevitably slain by a new recruit during training. Fanatic in loyalty and unmatched in martial skill, even a lone Imperial Guard is a formidable opponent capable of standing toe-to-toe with a Jedi… or a Sith, should the occasion arise.

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Oooooh, they can take on Jedi of unspecified prowess. They must be good.


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I always got the impression that Revan's main strength in combat was his saber prowess. As given that we know that he was as powerful as a lightsider as he was as a darksider, and lightsides aren't usually as good at offensive use with the force as darksiders, it makes me think his main skill was lightsaber combat where light and dark are equal.

One of the comics also inplies that he defeated Malak with a lightsaber, and he wore the duron qel-droma robes to do so which had force power buff indicating that he was in more need of a force related buff than a lightsaber one, otherwise he might as well have just used the star forge robes which had awesome strength/dexterity stats.


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Dexterity and Strength stuff is game mechanics, and has no bearing on what he can actually do. Otherwise regular Jedi Robes increase Obi-Wan/Anakin/Any Jedi's wisdom by +1/2/3


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Anakin's Jedi robe is only +2 Wisdom, since he was never promoted to master--thus no Jedi Master Robe. Palpatine had 'Darth Sidious' Sith Robe' which granted him a +25 Damage vs. Light Side and an incredible +10 Dexterity. Had he not been wearing that when he fought Yoda, he would have lost. Luckily for him, Yoda was only wearing his standard Jedi Master Robe--it's +8 Dexterity and +3 Wisdom weren't enough.


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Anakin's Jedi robe is only +2 Wisdom, since he was never promoted to master--thus no Jedi Master Robe. Palpatine had 'Darth Sidious' Sith Robe' which granted him a +25 Damage vs. Light Side and an incredible +10 Dexterity. Had he not been wearing that when he fought Yoda, he would have lost. Luckily for him, Yoda was only wearing his standard Jedi Master Robe--it's +8 Dexterity and +3 Wisdom weren't enough.


This.

A good joke.

Thanks, you made my day.


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Joke?


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Dexterity and Strength stuff is game mechanics, and has no bearing on what he can actually do. Otherwise regular Jedi Robes increase Obi-Wan/Anakin/Any Jedi's wisdom by +1/2/3


Read first paragraph of my post please.

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Originally posted by DarthTheDominat
Read first paragraph of my post please.
Indicates you were seriously attempting to use the second paragraph as support for your first. "One of the comics also....." So yeah. First paragraph doesn't change anything.

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Not at all you can get rid of second paragraph and first still stands:

I always got the impression that Revan's main strength in combat was his saber prowess. As given that we know that he was as powerful as a lightsider as he was as a darksider, and lightsides aren't usually as good at offensive use with the force as darksiders, it makes me think his main skill was lightsaber combat where light and dark are equal.

So what is big problem?


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Well... I got the impression that Communism was pretty legit, but there are some people that think otherwise. Impressions and opinions are all well and good, but it doesn't help.

Yes, Revan defeated Malak, but how does Malak stack up in saber combat, compared to others? It's hard to judge Revan's abilities because KOTOR-wise it's pretty vague, and in the Revan novel, he's strong, but he's not exactly ubergodly like most people wanted him to be.


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This is rather simple answer.
Revan casually defeated Nyriss, which causally defeated Meetra, which defeated Nihilus, which could reap starships out of mass shadows and consume planets and which stripped of the Force Traya, which apprenticed Sion, which was immortal both age wise and killing wise and fought Exar Kun's war before she was even born.
In other words Revan defeated the most powerful, which defeated other most powerful, which defeated other the most powerful, which................................................................

In comparison Kenobi struggled even with Grievous.

Revan casually stomps anyone from Chosen One era and after.
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Originally posted by Nephthys
Well Revan did struggle against the Emperor's Non-Force Sensitive guards in a saber fight.

However, I believe Nyriss at one point says that those guards could stop her from leaving so they might be pretty good I guess.


Why does everyone say this? The Emperor's guards while not force sensitive themselves can draw on the power of the Emperor himself. and it is stated in the novel that their powers were amplified by being so close to the Emperor.
"At the same time Meetra threw herself at the two guards standing in front of the doors to the throne room; her lightsaber materializing in her hand. Ordinary soldiers would have been chopped down before they could even draw their weapons. But the Imperial guard were not so easily felled."
Revan hardly had difficulty either. The Royal Guard didn't land a single blow.
"One of the guards battling Meetra broke off and tried to cut Revan off. The Jedi gathered himself and leapt high in the air, tucking his knees in tight to somersault over his opponents. The guard reacted to the unexpected move a fraction to slowly his electrostaff slicing through the air above his head and missing Revan only by a few centimeters. Revan landed on the ground and wheeled around to face the other man. He thrust out with the force, the impact hitting the soldier square in the chest, instead of sending him flying it only staggered him back half a step. This close to the emperor they were sworn to protect the guards were able to draw on his power to protect themselves.
Still the slight tumble gave Revan the time to draw his lightsaber and go on the offensive. He came in with a high overhand chop, an obvious feint meant to draw the defenses of his opponent upward leaving his legs exposed to a quick follow up strike. The guard recognized the familiar ploy countering it by parrying the overhand chop, and then quickly dropping it to intercept the inevitable slash at his legs. Only Revan didn't go for his legs, anticipating that his opponents defenses would go low, he kept his blade up high allowing him to end the battle with a horizontal cut across the man's throat."

And more Hype for the Imperial Guard.
"Scourge was an expert swordsman, at the academy even the instructors had been reluctant to face him in the training ring. When the Dark Side flowed through him, his blade was more than a weapon it became an extension of his will."

And one Imperial Guard deflected several of his blows. Two of them forced him to move to unorthodox tactics to gain an advantage. Until he immersed himself in the Dark Side, he couldn't beat them.
Keep in mind that Scourge was powerful enough to defeat a member fo the Dark Council; Darth Xedrix, even during the Revan novel timeframe. Granted Xedrix wasn't Nyriss level, obviously, but he was still a member of the Dark Council.

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This is rather simple answer.
Revan casually defeated Nyriss, which causally defeated Meetra, which defeated Nihilus, which could reap starships out of mass shadows and consume planets and which stripped of the Force Traya, which apprenticed Sion, which was immortal both age wise and killing wise and fought Exar Kun's war before she was even born.
In other words Revan defeated the most powerful, which defeated other most powerful, which defeated other the most powerful, which................................................................

In comparison Kenobi struggled even with Grievous.

Revan casually stomps anyone from Chosen One era and after.
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A>B>C logic doesn't apply here.
No, just no. Revan would lose against Yoda, Palpatine, and maybe even Mace, and perhaps even Dooku. His saber feats aren't nonexistent, but they are certainly not on par with those 4.


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quote:
A>B>C logic doesn't apply here.
No, just no. Revan would lose against Yoda, Palpatine, and maybe even Mace, and perhaps even Dooku. His saber feats aren't nonexistent, but they are certainly not on par with those 4.

I completely agree with you. I was merely pointing out at stupidity with which Drew tries to make his characters look like they are far stronger, than any other.

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