I'd say Maul in all situations. TCW Maul showed he's better than Savage, and this is after many years in exile. And Savage is reletively new to the force.
You just posted that you believe Savage would win only to later comment that Maul "stomped" Savage, indicating that he's ahead of Savage from a combat PoV.
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Last edited by Jinsoku Takai on Dec 18th, 2012 at 04:25 PM
Oh you know how Lucas has always said Vader lost a lot of power in the force due to his broken body. So it's kind of a given being cleaved in 2 wouldn't have done Maul much good.
Also remember the first episode when Maul just got resurrected he was having trouble lifting his own Lightsaber with TK. Of course that may be due to him being out of action for so long.
Either way Maul was clearly out of shape when he came back, and was slowly improving back to his old self and possibly beyond that level- eventually. But it's hard to say at which point he was on par with his PM self and at which point he surpassed that level.
I was under the impression that GL was speaking merely of Vader's inability to utilize FL based on the presence of mechanical limbs as opposed to biological flesh and blood. The connection itself isn't necessarily/explicitly lessened as far as I'm aware.
As far as Maul goes, I just figured it was due to him being out of action for a lengthy period of time, as you stated, as well as a complete lack of focus. He was a mental headcase when he was found by Savage.
__________________ “Life is tough, but it is tougher when you’re stupid.” -John Wayne
I thought only Vader's potential was diminished. Afterall, he still seemed to grow more powerful. He was just unable to reach his full potential and exceed Palpatine. In RoDV, Palpatine muses that this was more of a psychological issue.
But yeah, I'm with JT, I think it was Lucas' excuse as to why Vader never uses force lightning, and also his reason why Vader never surpasses his master.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
He may have been more powerful in the force by Revival than he was in TPM, but is there any proof he couldn't have done that at the time of TPM?
After all Opress did the same thing after just starting his training, and Dooku claimed he was training Opress to become as Powerful as Maul used to be.
In terms of skill? I can provide quotes. It's kind of a no brainer that his skill wouldn't be at it's peak when he's been out of action and in a demented state for 10+ years.
I don't remember that. Which episode did the CW Narrator say that in?
True, but Maul only used Force TK Offensively Once in his PM fight. And that chucked the Jedi he was fighting down a shaft.
Also when CW Maul owned Opress there was no TK involved either.
I say TPM Maul definitely takes Sabers. But it will probably take him a lot longer to win than CW Maul who used his Cyborg Leg to Physically dominate Opress.
But Yes Opress will most likely own in the Force fight. Though I doubt such a heavily trained Sith Lord like Maul would be a slouch in that department.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Dec 19th, 2012 at 01:16 PM
Really? Just because you can't use FL? I wouldn't think so. Jedi don't use FL doesn't mean they're less powerful. They can always block that with a Lightsaber anyway.
Luke wouldn't be able to use FL with one hand? So what? Like you said no mention is ever made of him having lost considerable power or potential.
And Lucas's quote really had nothing to do with FL anyway.
Ok. But let's not also forget the end of the ROTS Novel where it's clear Skywalker's connection to the force has been severly diminshed.
"Like a Composer gone dumb, or a painter gone blind.."
Probably because it's just a hand and wouldn't make a noticeable difference to his potential.
Not that I can think of. But I would have thought that statement of Lucas's and the description of newly formed Machine Vader in the ROTS novel would have been more than enough evidence.
Dec 17th, 2012 02:09 AM
