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Why are Dooku and RoTJ Luke past DoE Bane? Give them half a chance?
Anyways, I would say he nearly dies at Bane. However, he makes it fairly far. The hour of rest is a long time for somebody in his tier. Grand Master Luke wtfpwns him. Zannah could probably win with sorcery. Dooku will be overwhelmed. Yoda may be able to take him. Sidious has already beaten him, and is more powerful in the Force at this point. Anakin is.... meh at that time. Is he Zonakin? Or just regular Anakin? Zonakin could probably beat Starkiller. Bane gives him a major fight.... In fact, it may come to 5/10 wins for Starkiller.
RotJ Luke and Dooku are after Bane to give him a few small breaks from fighting insanely difficult opponents and this is regular Anakin, not Zonakin.
Also Sidious didn't really defeat him, he took advantage of Starkiller staying his blade to remain a Jedi (even after Starkiller straight up wrecked him) by electrocuting Kota. Starkiller chose to sacrifice himself to allow the Rebel Leaders to escape and then serve as an inspiration for them to resist the Empire. So did the Emperor really defeat him or did Starkiller willingly take Kota's place in death?
Nah. Luke wins but it would be a good fight. Some random Sith could put up good fight with Luke and Baran Do Master put up a good Force contest with Luke, why Marek can't?
That depends on which source we follow. In game Marek fights Sidious and the fight finishes with Marek blocking and dodging lightning and handling Sidious with TK.
Also, in book Marek was tanking lightning without lightsaber or Yoda's absorb ability, which makes it very unfair and one-sided contest. Luke can't absorb lightning as well, random Sith was electrocuting him in FotJ, until Ben intercepted lightning. Yet, Luke would stomp that Sith any day.
Imho in book Marek demonstrated himself more skilled and cunning at offensive Force use than even Dooku, not to mention that he is more powerful. Imho that should grant him victory against any Anakin in all out.
Galen blew himself up because Sidious was simply stronger in the DAK CIDE!
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In the book Galen Marek never deflected lightning nor did he use Yoda's Force deflection. He used Tutaminis to absorb the lightning, and then he channeled it through his body and unleashed it back upon it's wielder.
Luke on the other hand, innately deflected "The Evil Emperor's" Force lightning in the ROTJ novelization...but was swiftly overwhelmed by the continually perpetuating intensity of Sidous' lightning.
We use the books for these debates.
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Last edited by KillaKassara on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 09:39 PM
As far as straight up lightsaber combat goes Bane is better than Sidious, and a little better than Cyborg Vader with Force power, but far better at using them to supplement him in lightsaber combat.
Sidious is more of a magi, but Bane has a few sorceror tricks as of Dynasty of Evil. Against someone like Bane, Galen wouldn't last long. He did well against Sidious at that point in time, namely because of the circumstances, but most everyone else on that list save Othone could beat Galen Marek per novelization - Anakin is questionable, but I think he could win.
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From the sounds of it, you're examining these things holistically, through the lens of a potentially scripted battle. There's merit to that worldview. Honestly, the majority of fights we consider "lol stomp" would probably not be if it occurred in an actual EU novel. Therein, battles are subject to nebulous elements like circumstance, motivation, terrain, and a host of character idiosyncrasies.
Typically, though, we compare these things feat-to-feat and quote-to-quote and assume characters are playing "at their best."
I definitely think there's room for discussion there, but it would make a difficult process even more convoluted.
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If they did it in a novel, it would be subject to the author. Karpshyn would have them fight a massive duel with one side just toying with the other. Zahn would have them fight a gritty, realistic like fight, lasting maybe 3 minutes. Traviss would have had them fight for 2 seconds before Boba Fett swoops in and kills them both. Maybe 2 seconds, could be stretching it.
People forget that it isn't just Starkiller's immense ability in the force that make him dangerous, it's his talent for getting insanely creative with his powers to catch his opponent completely off-guard, so Bane I think would lose, but only after a close battle. I think that with his immense ability and creativity, Grand Master Luke is where he would make it to at least.
His loss to Sidious depends on which source you look at. In the game it was self-sacrifice, in the book it was an utter stomp.
Also, all of the strong opponents would be able to sense Starkiller building up power and try to respond, but don't forget that he has an hour to rest and prepare in advance before each fight, so if he had any brain at all he would gather his strength while he rested, therefore, pwned, your argue kent about Bane killing Starkiller before he gathers his power is, in nice terms, invalid.
Bane's level of swordsmanship by DoE is enough to overcome whatever Starkiller brings his way. As stated, his main chance would be in gathering an immense amount of power.
Just for the heck of it I'll say he takes Bane though. What is the point of anyone that he's facing before Zannah? We already know how he would fair against Sidious, and neither RotJ Luke nor Anakin are a match for him.
Anyway, assuming he kills Bane, he falls to Zannah's sorcery as he's faced nothing like it before and no means of defense.
If you are referring to Zannah's tendrils of dark side energy, remember that she has to concentrate constantly and the amount of energy she needs is immense. Then her mind demons trick works only on those whose will isn't strong enough to see through the illusions, Bane did it, so I see no reason why Starkiller's will is any weaker than Bane's. Not to mention the amount of time Zannah took to gather that energy in her duel with Bane, and against Starkiller's speed and ferocity, she wouldn't have much chance to gather her energy for Sith Sorcery, thus removing her greatest talents from the equation, giving Starkiller a greater chance against her.
If the combatants are in close proximity, they won't ever have time to unleash Force powers unless there's a sufficient amount of distance (as evidenced in the cinematic).
In this gauntlet, Marek loses to Zonakin, Sidious, Yoda, and Grand Master Luke.
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