__________________ Originally posted by Arhael Okay, look. Um, me feels no agenda to meeting and vacuum in leadership position, so me has composed 12 point plan for good happy success.
__________________ Originally posted by Arhael Okay, look. Um, me feels no agenda to meeting and vacuum in leadership position, so me has composed 12 point plan for good happy success.
At this point, Sidious's only chance of victory is with sabers.
Sabers: Sidious (possibly)
Revan is no slouch when it comes to martial abilities; thanks to his amazing precognitive abilities, he is capable of making precise judgements and perform precise strikes. The manner in which he outdueled an Imperial Guard individual is indication enough.
As per Drew; Revan is skilled in all forms of lightsaber combat. However, Revan have no specific preference in case of Forms; he mixes his style if he feels appropriate.
Sidious have demonstrated the ability to blitz competent duelists. Though he have his share of losses in this aspect as well. His performance against the brothers indicate that he may handle Revan in this aspect.
Force: Revan
Revan's command of the Force is incredible and has received some serious hype.
Hype 1: Jedi Order's most powerful champion
Hype 2: Mighty Sith
Hype 3: Champion of the dark side
Hype 4: Command of the Force greater then that of any individual whom Meetra have met
Hype 5: Like Vitiate, understands the Force in ways that Scourge wouldn't ever perhaps
Combat performance wise;
1. Instrumental in defeat of the Sith forces in the Battle of Rakata Prime (destroyed Sith forces stationed inside Star Forge specially)
1. Defeated Darth Malak aboard Star Forge
2. WTFpwned Darth Nyriss
3. Came close to assassinating Darth Vitiate (As per SWTORE)
This is some serious shit.
At this point, Sidious is no where close to Vitiate in power. He cannot do much to Revan with his powers. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Revan flawlessely bends Sidious's FL back at him to give him the taste of his own medicine and injure or exhaust him in this manner.
As per Drew; Revan is capable of performing insane feats. However, Revan is very calculative in his choices. He doesn't steps out of boundaries unless pushed enough.
In the TOR game, Revan appears to be very impressive with the Force; his Force based attacks are unblockable.
All Out: Inconclusive
It took an Imperial strike team (comprised of some bad@sses) to defeat Revan aboard Foundary. And this is after 300 years of torture he endured.
Heck, it isn't even clear if Revan fell in this battle; existing rumors suggest that he used special powers to escape from the region (possibly bended time and space to perform this feat). If Revan is alive after this assault, it is possible for him to cheat death like situations.
In good shape, Revan is an overwhelming opponent.
I put the all out at inconclusive because;
1. Sidious may win with sabers
2. Revan may prevent Sidious from killing him by using his special abilities to escape
3. Sidious may get injured
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Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Feb 20th, 2013 at 10:21 AM
He was holding his own against Vitiate for a while until the latter went all out on him. It is safe to assume that Revan packs lot of power and skill.
Tutaminis can be game changer in a contest as apparent from several examples. It is very difficult to gain proficiency in this ability; to use the body to absorb harmful energies through raw power in the Force. Only supremely strong Force-wielders could perform this feat with proficiency.
We may have not seen much from Revan but it would be a mistake to assume that he isn't capable of performing formidable feats.
Revan's performance in TOR should leave no doubt in any ones's mind about his combat prowess and skill. If it took a strike team of bad@sses to defeat him and this after all Revan had been through; then this is more then enough indication of him being among the true elites of the mythos. On top of this, if Revan have managed to use the Force to escape from this encounter; then I don't know what will be required to stop him.
I do believe that Sidious can win with sabers. However, at this point, he cannot subdue Revan with his Force powers.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Feb 20th, 2013 at 02:21 PM
You highly underestimate Darth Revan and I would advise you not to. Darth Sidious isn't perfect you know he has been beaten before.
Kreia (Darth Traya) once observed that witnessing Revan was like staring into the heart of the Force and lest we forget, this was the woman who trained the likes of Darth Sion and Nihilus. Nihilus, in turn, could drain entire worlds and Revan is known to have practiced the art of Force Drain (Book of Sith) and studied the lore found on Malachor V that provided the foundation for the Force Drain Kreia, Nihilus, and their Assassins used. Thus it is pretty obvious that Darth Revan himself is a master of Extremely powerful planet-grade Force drain and we can intuit that, since he did not degrade to the degree Nihilus did, his mastery of it is complete.
Additionally, Darth Revan defeated a Star Forge-bolstered Darth Malak who was very powerful and a very skilled duelist. He also WTFpwned!!1! Dark Councilor Nyriss who in turn defeated Scourge (another very powerful Force user and fighter) and the Exile. He also defeated The Imperial Guard who are not very powerful Force users but are better than for the purposes of my argument. All of this is significantly higher than even Darth Sidious's showings.
Revan was also probably a master of Force Whirlwind. Not only does Revan win, he WTFpwnstomps.
He didn't exactly "enslaved" the Galaxy otherwise he wouldn't have any enemies to deal with. He certainly transformed the Republic in to a Sith Empire from within. And after suffering setbacks at the hands of Jedi and rebels, he then paid significant attention to improving his command of the dark side so that he could reduce his dependency upon the assets of his Empire to rule the Galaxy (This is his DE phase). He used Byss as his experimental ground during DE phase; no longer a mortal being, he could defy biological limitations this time.
Both Vitiate and Sidious were capable of pushing boundaries. Vitiate possibly even more so because of his immense knowledge of the lore and such.
After second confrontation with Revan, Vitiate started employing Abeloth like abilities to further safeguard himself from external threats. So we should admit that Revan is a very potent threat in combat.
Your posts make no sense. In one thread Vitiate is apparently more than a match for both Plaegius and Sidious, even without prep which is ridiculous, yet here you say that Revan alone, whom he previously mind dominated, was a threat to his rule.
Feb 13th, 2013 04:05 AM
