I consider this the closest fight in starwars. Windu has Vaapad however Dooku has better force powers and there saber skills seem to be completely equal. There is evidence to support ether sides of the argument so personally I just put these two completely equal. 50/50 split IMO but if I had to chose I'd chose the Count barley.
The implications are there. Source books imply if anyone has an advantage it'd be Dooku. Windu himself considers he may lose to Anakin in ROTS undoubtedly because of his victory over Dooku.
Agreed. Dooku also believed himself more powerful then any Jedi intill he met Yoda(and that includes Windu). I personally see Windu and Dooku as equals but Dooku has the SLIGHTEST of edges and would win barley in a fight.
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Unless Vapaad has that whole superconducting loop thing going, when combined with Shatterpoint will hand Mace sabers quite handily.
Mace also has good Force defenses, so Dooku can't manhandle him like he did Kenobi.
I could see Mace taking the win, since it would be like what happened with Zonakin. Mace getting stronger over the fight as Dooku draws on the Dark Side more. Plus the ferocity of Vapaad is a harder counter to Makashi than Djem So is.
It depends how we take Vaapad mechanics. The superconduciting loop should negate any difference in Force-power between the two (if there is a considerable difference that is)
To be honest, though I believe Dooku tends to be a bit underrated in these boards, I also think Mace's feats from Shatterpoint, CWC, CW etc. put him at almost ideal equal to the good, ol' Count.
Mace will win this duel, but just slightly.
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Last edited by axel_jovan on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 01:25 PM
So what part of that fight is canon? Because Dooky shows a very impressive TK feat there and to survive a battle with Windu and Kenobi is impressive, even with MG's. Also, how many MG's were there?
And I believe, that Mace is overrated one. A lot of people believe, that he's top1 swordmaster of his times. But he is not. Yoda is.
1)As You pointed in another thread, according to script Yoda disarmed Sidious.
2) Dooku was unable to find any advantages when he fought Yoda twice.
3) Mace needed to broke the window, to slow down Sidious. Without that, the sword fight between them was pretty equal.
4) Dooku fought Mace twice - in CW: RH and Obsession. This two fights looks pretty equal (despite, that in RH Mace had Kenobi's aid).
5) Dooku looks better then Mace against Ventress and Bulq (even in saber fight - as I remeber he disarmed Bulq from one saber).
So it looks like, they (I mean Dooku / Mace / Sidious) are in the same league, along with Yoda and Anakin. But Yoda is a bit better.
And about force powers:
I dontt think, that typical dark force powers, like lightning, will give Dooku advantage. But I believe in his TK skill.
In RH they don't show the fight I believe and it went pretty fast with Dooku losing and Dooku had magnagurds and lost pretty fast. But still I agree with your post.
Yoda and Sidiosu are at the absolute top.
Windu is not better saber duelist than Yoda, and certainly about equal to Dooku.
What I meant rather is that Windu's Force-power's are a bit underrated, and that Dooku, in general, is a bit underrated too.
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Personally I see Windu as the solid victor. Windu's younger and fitter and stronger in the force and while the battle would start out good the outcome would not be in doubt.
Sorta like Dooku vs Yoda- Dooku can hold him off but he certainly could not win.
Mar 23rd, 2013 02:25 AM
My thoughts exactly.
