The Yuuzhan Vong invasion complex, at the onset of NJO: Vector Prime, attempts to conquer the following civilizations.
Full rest/revival/etc.
1. Ragnos's Sith Empire
2. Naga Sadow's Sith Empire
3. Galactic Republic and Sith Empire circa TOR
4. PT Galactic Republic and Confederacy of Independent Systems
5. The Galactic Federation of Free Alliances circa Dark Nest
6. The Galactic Empire at its height
7. United galaxy, Legacy era
Loses at 4 or 6. The Clone wars era SW tech is much better than 1-3, still using a star as a power source to pump out ships and considering it to be top tier tech. PT republic and CIS however are more modern and are much stronger. As for the GE, they win since even Luke admitted that the GE could have beaten the Vomg.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
Well the Illusions were strong, but this is an interesting case whether or not since they're made from the Force will affect the Vong.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
What are the magnitude of Sadow's illusions?
Has he created actual starfleets with them?
Would this matter against ships that can hang with modern-SW era weaponry?
Isn't this Empire only consisting of a few hundred planets?
The Sith Empire only had 16 planets under their belt and they fought a Republic that was very young. And it was a surprise attack as well. Not to mention you see capital ships hitting planets with their weaponry and only destroying buildings during the battle of Coruscant, so their weaponry is like sub-Kiloton.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
^well, to be fair, they probably weren't using full firepower, since it's indicated that they could have destroyed the entire planet's surface if they wanted to. They wanted to hold it hostage, not destroy it.
Huh, if so then I'm mistaken. Well we know the Republic later destroyed Korriban and they didn't glass it, just wiped out the Civilizations on them along with every other Sith planet.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
TBH, you can find plenty of low firepower showings from across every era, in every canon. Such as LotF: Inferno. Leland Chee has confirmed Saxton's ICS's firepower statements as canon (and the "first place [he'd] look), but the exact magnitude of disparity between ancient and new technology is still arguable.
But it's certainly massive, given that the most cutting edge PT technology was already obsolete by ANH.
Well if we use ship sizes to compare the power generation they can dish out, the biggest ship during the Jedi Civil War was the Leviathan, and that was only 600 meters. The smallest Star destroyer is the Acclamator-I, and that was 752 meters. And the Vong had ships that can one shot them, hell the CIS did. And Capital ships for the Republic like the Hammerhead were only 315 meters. So during Naga's time they're probably smaller. Hell, the Derriphan-class Sith Battleship was only 215 meters. And that was the most powerful Sith ship, and it didn't even have Turbolasers, it had something called Autoblasters and 3 concussion missile launchers with 60 of those missiles.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
Last edited by The Merchant on Sep 9th, 2013 at 02:24 AM
Oh, certainly, Naga Sadow's empire would get steamrolled by even the pre-AotC Republic navy. Nephthys also argued that Vitiate's sith empire could defeat the Galactic Empire.
The Vong would crush the early Sith empires, too much number and power.
The Galactic Republic and Sith Empire circa TOR... are a lot bigger, but still not as big as things will become, and their ships aren't as strong as later ones. Lots of Jedi/Sith warriors would help, but... I'd say probably the Vong. Best-case, only one of them falls, worst, both do.
PT Galactic Republic and Confederacy of Independent Systems. Depends on how quickly they can militarize, but the galaxy is big and the production of the galaxy ramping up. They'll stop the Vong, quite possibly even faster than the slow response of the Vong war did, though with many many casualties and plenty of planets lost.
The Galactic Federation of Free Alliances circa Dark Nest. Well, the GFFA will respond fast, but they're already hurting from all the damage caused by... the Vong War, which they haven't near recovered from. Another Vong war so soon would be devastating. They *might* be able to pull it out but it'd be incredibly hard and a close thing, they could easily lose, or at the least be broken even in victory.
The Galactic Empire at its height. They win, being unified and pretty militarized with strong ships. The Vong can't take a fairly healthy unified galaxy, similar to the PT/CIS scenario.
United galaxy, Legacy era. Here, unlike Dark Nest they've had a chance to recover from the first Vong War, and unlike the others they also have a lot of knowledge of how Vong fight. Their ships are better than the GE or PT ones, they've got multiple big force orders. The damage caused by their own wars hurts some, but overall I expect them to do the best out of any of them.
Oh, can I have quotes that state the massive technology gap between the Clone war and ANH?
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
I don't really know all of that. But Sadow was creating illusionary armies across the entire galaxy. Also considering Aleema Keto was capable of creating illusionary Space Grazers, which are probably bigger than Star Destroyers, using the same technique I'd say Sadow could create illusionary ships since he's much more powerful than Keto was.
Not sure about the disconnection thing? How does it work?
Why did you even put them on the list if they stood so little of a chance in your eyes?
Sep 9th, 2013 01:27 AM
