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Nor do you have to be that strong in the force to TK Grievous, but he still doesn't go down like a ***** every time a Jedi force pushes him.
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Whom Grievous could've very easily killed ten seconds after she force pushed him.
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Fisto pushed Grievous a grand total of one time in their entire fight (and if I must be honest, there was less power behind Fisto's push than there was Ahsoka's), so I don't think he's going to be spamming telekinetic attacks in this fight. Plus, I don't think Raskta's gonna be completely taken out of the fight by a force push.
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I'm conflicted, while its true that grievous has been vulnerable to the Force at times he still has mechanical enhancements that allow him to at least compete with force sensitives. Lsu on the other hand is a force sensitive but has little talent with evading or applying in offensive force powers in battle and has no enhancements beyond masterful bladework and physical training that compensates for her weaknesses.That being said , Kit does have the advantage of being a more powerful force user and I do believe that while Lsu is the superior lightsaber combatant the margin between them is not great enough for Lsu to dominate vased on lightsaber prowess alone.
In the end i'm going with Kit, because if Lsu is the superior duelist Kit will most certainly fall back on his force abilities which I think will eventually overwhelm Lsu.
I wouldn't put anybody who isn't a top tier Force User above Raskta personally.
"She had achieved the rare and prestigious rank of Jedi Weapons Master. Eschewing all other fields of study and forsaking the development of her other Force talents to focus exclusively on the lightsaber and combat, she had transformed herself into a living weapon."
Hyperbole?
"A Weapons Master was not skilled at defending against enemy Force attacks. The impact of the wave would have plastered her against the wall and crushed her had Farfalla not thrown up a shield to protect the Echani. Even so her muscular body was plucked from the air and hurtled backward, though she twisted and turned so she landed on her feet."
Drew's making a general remark about Weapons Masters not being skilled at defending against Force attacks, not Raskta specifically. Of course, that point is also reflected in what's happening, but all that means is that her Force defence relative to Bane's attacks was lacking, and that Farfalla was able to use his own defences to do most of the work in protecting her on top of her own defences. So all that the incident itself establishes is that Farfalla's defence is significantly superipor to her's, and that a Force User of Bane's calibre would be able to easily ragdoll her.
Now back onto the general remark he made about Weapons Masters, how skilled someone is is all relative. It might just be that, ceteris paribus, Weapons Masters are comparatively not as skilled as other roles at Force defence, and he was simply stating that using very strong and blunt wording.
You might also be able to attribute both quotes to CrIS (creator induced stupidity). Realistically, a Weapons Master would focus on weapons training, as well as Force Defence so as to be able to force a weapons battle onto their opponent. In MMA, no decent MMA striker is going to ignore training their ability to defend takedowns and submissions and scramble back up to their feet, as they can all completely nullify his striking ability. Exactly the same thing here. You could argue that she might have relied on a partner like Farfalla to help protect her, but again, realistically a Weapons Master would also want to be self sufficient and not completely reliant on others.
1. Bane level Force Users can easily ragdoll her.
2. She has significantly weaker Force Defences than people as powerful as her that don't fully specialise in saber combat (and her speed in combat suggests she was pretty powerful), as well as the likes of Farfalla (who seemed to be one of the most notable Jedi of that era).
The rest can be attributed to hyperbole, inappropiate tone, and CrIS.
dmb alludes to a good point as well in that Force Users that aren't top tier, and lightsiders in general, are usually not able to decisively dominate someone or end a fight with their Force powers alone. A Force User of Kit Fisto's calibre at best might use a Force Push to create an opening, but he isn't going to be able to kill her with one.
He didn't need to. However, I think a fight with Raskta would be much more difficult than the one with Grievous, and Fisto is above Ahsoka in TK, so I don't doubt that he would be able to fight her that way.
I'm not saying Fisto is as powerful as Bane was in RoT, but I don't see why Fisto wouldn't be able to use the Force in a similar manner, when she herself is stated to not have adequate defences.
Sep 20th, 2014 07:19 PM
