It's 3996BBY. Mandalore has challenged Ulic Qel-Droma to a death battle. This time, however, instead of Mandalore the Indomitable, Ulic will be facing Boba Fett.
Boba has his Beskar armor, a vibrosword, and the rest of his full armament. Ulic has his lightsaber and the Force. All out fight.
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Who takes it?
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
That's after getting past issues such as distance, environment, flight, energy projectiles, explosives, lightsaber-resistant armor and Fett's own fighting skill, right?
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
Yeah. Boba's got nothing that'll get through his shields when heavy cannon fire failed and Boba is utterly outmatched by a Jedi like Ulic in melee, no matter how tough his armor is.
Ulic can't really do much in the way of winning if he just keeps his barrier up forever. And I wouldn't say Boba is "utterly outmatched" considering he was giving RotS-ish Obi-Wan bother in CQC when he was thirteen years old. :/ He does have some low showings in his appearances as a game-boss, but then that happens to a lot of villains in Star Wars, so I don't get hung up over it.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
I thought you didn't care about that trash show and it's ridiculous power-levels. Anakin also got beat up by Clovis, so I guess he'd snap Jedi in half or something.
And I don't see why Ulic can't win if he keeps his shields up. Its not a Force Bubble, he can still move while doing it. Boba will run out of tricks before Ulic does. He can't evade forever. And as a Jedi Ulic has an undeniable and vast advantage in sabers. It's not like TotJ era Jedi couldn't break Mando Iron through sheer strength either.
I wasn't referencing TCW. It happened in The Last of the Jedi: Dark Warning
Since when can one move around while holding up a barrier? I've only ever seen Force Users maintain one while stationary. That seemed to be the case when Ulic dropped it to flip towards Indomitable in their fight.
If Boba realizes that Ulic is going to sit on a barrier forever (which isn't even a favoured tactic of Ulic's; he's far more aggressive than that), Boba would either wait him out or find other methods of getting to him, i.e blowing up the chain he's standing on.
And I think you're seriously overblowing Ulic's melee advantage. Boba's got a myriad of CQC weapons to bring to bear, enough hand-to-hand skill to contend with people of Ulic's class for a little while, and armor that Ulic's lightsaber will bounce off of, which he won't be expecting.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
Whatever. You really think Obi-Wan was going seriously at a 13 year old? Please. Or maybe Obi-Wan is just a pussy.
Since the Brotherhood era Sith used barriers literally all the time in combat? Since when does a Force shield require so much effort and concentration that you can't move?
I don't really see how it matters. Boba shoots at him, Ulic deflects. Boba uses his flamethrower, Ulic shields. Boba uses explosives, Ulic shields. There's nothing he can do here. We saw how this fight went in AotC.
Recall that Ulic himself was skilled and physically fit enough to hold off an enraged Jedi in sabers without the Force. So he's already comparable to Boba without the use of the Force. Add the vast amplification that the Force gives to his speed, strength (like Ulic would probably rip Boba's head off with his bare hands bro) and reflexes plus precognition and he'd kick Boba's ass in a lightsaber duel. His strength and speed alone would overwhelm him in a few attacks probably.
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Last edited by Nephthys on Feb 20th, 2015 at 05:56 PM
I'm pretty sure it was Ulic's inherent Force resistance that allowed him to resist Ommin's sorcery, not the gleaming barrier he erected against Mandalore.
That Ulic is a physical fighter doesn't mean he's unintelligent. I'm just choosing not to ignore his character motives. The number of times he's engaged any opponent in melee is gargantuan compared to the times he's shut their windpipes with TK. Notable examples being any battlefield he's been on, the palace guards/beast riders he fought on Onderon, the lone, non-Force sensitive fodder assassin he chose to run up to and kill with his lightsaber, etc. If accounting for Ulic's fighting tendencies isn't enough I can just stipulate that he's not allowed to Force choke Boba, I guess.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
Gleaming? It was as invisible as whatever he did against Ommin.
Energy is energy as far as I'm aware either way though :hmm
It doesn't
When he has a salvo of powers hilariously above anything Fett can hope to survive though?
It makes him about as stupid as Obi-Wan when he failed to save that suicidal woman on Mandalore despite possessing TK power in excess to stop someone who's not even falling yet.
Or Dooku when he had to surrender to Pirates, despite previously causing a cave in that would have been more than over kill to kill them all with a force wav/force lightning with.
Or when Anakin, in a rush to clear Ahsoka's name, didn't think to pin Barriss to a wall until he was at his most pissed off after a fairly pitiful showing of actually letting Barriss look competent in a duel.
I have more I can list for you, those are just the most glaringly offensive PIS/CIS moments that come to mind. It takes legitimately bad writing for these characters to **** up against non force wielding characters... or even up against force users given Barriss
*shrugs* Make whatever excuse suits you. Here it is:
And yeah, this was 13 year old Boba without Beskar. Not seeing how he's so outclassed personally.
As for the rest, from what I could tell there's a difference between resisting Force attacks such as the Sorcery Ommin used, and actually erecting a barrier that projectiles bounce off of. When Ulic's Force resistance kept Ommin's sorcery at bay, no barrier was visibly erected and Ulic was able to continue moving. When he erected his barrier, he had to gesture and visibly concentrate, and then when he advanced towards Mandalore he dropped the Barrier.
You seem to think Boba's only mode of attack is "shoot shit!". He usually makes use of the environment and makes an effort to catch opponent's off-guard, which are two things if implemented in this fight that would bear much fruit in terms of winning. Of course Ulic can barrier a lot of Boba's weapons but, what happens when Boba drops the chain Ulic is standing on, forces Ulic to leap to another one, and then attempts to blow him away in mid-air? Just one example I can think of.
Yeah, he held Sylvar off, which is a great feat. Let's not pretend he did any more than that.
Ulic doesn't actually have any feats with Force augmentation to back up your claims that he would fodderize Boba; there's evidence to oppose this on Boba's side. And I doubt Ulic could tear Boba's head off, if not because Ulic isn't even that strong to begin with, because Boba's Beskar armor would prevent that. Anyway, Boba's strengths in CQC don't solely lie in physical combat, either. He has voice/twitch activated weapons systems from his shin to his wrists which include various poisonous darts, two flamethrowers, explosives, a sonic emitter that incapped Rahm Kota/Proxy, a wrist laser, fiber cord whip, etc. Wouldn't be impossible for him to catch Ulic off-guard. Hell, one of Ulic's main areas for improvement was being aware of his surroundings and not underestimating opponents through arrogance, which is exactly what will get you killed against Boba.
I think it's an even fight, personally, as someone who knows both characters pretty well. Maybe I'm alone in that....
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
Whereas against Ommin we saw nothing of the like. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...+qel+droma3.png
I hope you know that I'm fully aware that a lot of problems could have been solved through telekinesis. What I'm saying is, they just aren't, a vast majority of the time. I'm going by what the source material presents us on a very consistent basis, and more importantly, what's been shown of Ulic. His go-to is saber combat. That isn't just going to change unless the OP stipulates "morals off, out of character".
I'm fully aware of what CIS is. There's many excuses that can be made on both sides about why or why not Force Users should or shouldn't use telekinesis to deal with otherwise simple problems. All I'm doing is going by the source material and presenting a confrontation akin to the one between Ulic and Indomitable, just subbing Boba in.
Consider it done. It'll save this thread some hassle, at least.
No directly lethal application of telekinesis. Pushes, pulls, etc, are fair game, just no throat attacks and the like.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
Ommin's attack doesn't need to show a splash effect against Ulic's otherwise invisible barrier
It has a different means of imparting the energy than the Basilisk's shots do is all
That's good
Here I was starting to think you were taking the consistently bad writing seriously :maybe
That's what most boards would call CIS/PIS brought about by the writers inability to create a fair fight where they were smart enough to actually remember they could use their powers.
Like, its not minor levels of stupid we're talking disregarding the hilarious advantage even casual showings their force powers give them
Its crippling, how do they even function, levels of stupid when they don't.
Suppose that's just a difference in how boards operate.
Where I made it my home, CIS is off and bloodlust is considered on to make sure characters that normally wouldn't even think to fight actually do.
I didn't even use examples outside of the episodes the issues happened in to illustrate how badly written those scenes were either FYI :maybe
Dooku, even late into the Clone Wars, has shown equal or greater TK than Anakin.
More specifically a version of Anakin well above his Padawan self that could TK a massive ship with expedience enough that hypersonic missiles failed to move much in the time Anakin was moving the ship :maybe
That's better
We could probably talk in circles about where the speed feats of Jedi land, but this is overall more fair a match
Feb 20th, 2015 05:09 PM
