Luke canonically challenged ESB Vader as per two sources, so Quinlan is not stomping, lol.
ESB Luke is vastly underrated. Between Controlling Dragonsnakes, manipulating machinery across Cloud City, challenging Vader, etc. he can easily at least present a challenge to Quinlan.
even Vader didn't casualy stomp Luke and had to get angry to finish the job quickly. Vos stomping is laughable, him even winning is highly questionable.
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Yep. And Vader wasn't holding back against Luke at all. Not even 1 little bit.
And I saw the greatest challenge ever that ESB Luke put up when Vader casually smashed him through the window. Clearly that was a better challenge than Old Ben put up in the previous film.
I really did laugh out loud that you actually thought an "lol" was appropriate there.
So what about ROTS Kenobi? Vader fought him as well. So is it confirmed ESB Luke > ROTS Kenobi? "lol"
FYI it's confirmed by the biggest authority of the old canon (Lucas himself) that even ROTJ Luke was only half trained and no match for Vader, forget ESB Luke "lol"
Well, as I've heard from Ant, "lol" is changed in meaning from "laugh out loud" to "duh" or some smirk/teasing giggle you make. The real story is that I've probably just gotten too used to saying it, so I put it at the end of every few sentences. If I put lol by itself, I'm generally actually finding something funny, otherwise I have no idea what it means.
Shadows of the Empire claims that Luke was above Old Ben, as I recall. And while Ben actually fared better, Fightsaber claims that Vader improved drastically between them. RotS Kenobi never faced that version of Vader, so it really has no relevance. RotS Kenobi would also beat Quinlan decisively, so that's not really a valid or necessary comparison.
His limited training is overrated - if you read the sources, you would realize he makes up for it with astonishing learning rate. His inexperience against new types of weapons and powers is apparent, but sources confirm his strength in the Force and innate talent with a blade was enough to challenge Vader on Bespin.
Well if we just talk "Legends" those sources would be fine. However if we're following Old Canon rules then Lucas words still override any other source. Whilst New Disney Canon has yet to confirm Luke's prowess as of ESB and ROTJ.
The outstanding learning rate can only get so far (logically and IMO) with a few weeks of 1 on 1 training plus 3 years of self-training, compared to say Anakin's 10 years of 1 on 1 training which only lead him to AOTC Anakin level or early TCW Level.
What Lucas words? That he's inexperienced? I'm pretty sure we all knew that.
AotC Anakin had a decade of training, is highly underrated, and is actually very skilled, fast and more powerful. And I'd put him above ESB Luke, to be honest.
Apr 25th, 2015 01:31 PM
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