__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
Since carthage is an idiot and thinks that Bane at the end of the book somehow qualifies as a trainee, I'm gonna assume he means that Bane in which case Bane wins.
I am one of the few members who respect Darth Bane. However, I understand his limitations as well. He could not overwhelm Kas'im and you think he will defeat Vaylin?
Kas'im's skills as a duelist were extraordinarily high. He was the best combatant in the Brotherhood and had perfected his skills with every form. And Bane did overwhelm him. He had a counter to everything Kas'im could do (which was all techniques for all lightsaber forms) and drove him into a desperate frenzied retreat. Only Kas'im producing a dual blade style turned the tide, and thats only because he specifically sabotaged Bane's training by not giving him any counters for that style.
Vaylin's lightsaber skills haven't been established much yet. She's not on Kas'im or Bane's level.
Bane's force powers at the end of the book easily rival Vaylin's. That generator she rips a side off was utterly dwarfed by the temple Bane destroyed and his wave had enough power to liquefy Kas'im. He has lightning capable of easily disintegrating 2 men and turning a drexl into a lump of charred meat. When confronted by Kaan's galaxy-wide telepathy, Bane laughed him off.
Yes, I see that. However, Vaylin is not a straightforward Lightsaber duelist. She will sense Darth Bane's strength and determine her course of action accordingly. If she attacks him with a Lightsaber and does not achieves a breakthrough, she will likely resort to her Force powers to achieve a breakthrough. It's not like that Darth Bane can disarm her in a single move.
Nonetheless, it is useless to speculate about Vaylin's skills with a Lightsaber if they haven't been established yet. There is no reason to assume that Senya sucks with a Lightsaber or is not par with the likes of Darth Bane and Kas'im in these matters. Moreover, Vaylin might have been emotionally conflicted in her duel with Senya but she does not have this problem in this hypothetical confrontation.
In the link, you can see how small individuals are in comparison to those trees on that bridge. That structure (below the power core) is like 15 - 20 floors tall.
Moreover, Darth Bane was on a nexus and destroyed a weakened building whose maintenance had been neglected for a long time and integrity had been compromised by firepower from Starships centuries ago. You may argue that the nexus environment did not make much difference but we don't ever witness Darth Bane performing such monumental feats in other settings. And he is known to fuel his strength from the energies of the nexus environment.
Vaylin was in a neutral setting and destroyed a well-maintained gigantic structure.
Therefore, Darth Bane's supposed superiority or even parity with Vaylin in the matters of raw power is questionable.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Oct 31st, 2015 at 12:21 PM
I was backing up Q99's point that Bane would defeat her in lightsaber combat. Also this thread is a saber. force, all out thread. So my discussing their respective skills with a lightsaber is significant for one of the 3 sections of the fight. And is significant for the all out section. Even if Vaylin attempts to switch to the Force, she has no feats that suggest she's fast enough and skilled enough to put distance between herself and Bane. Also Bane is easily rivalling her in TK. He can tank her Force attacks and continue to attack her in melee until she is overwhelmed.
I'm not speculating about Vaylin's lightsaber abilities. I'm saying that they're unestablished. We've seen some gameplay stuff from her but nothing to get a concrete grasp on her. However, unless someone has actually proven their ability, it is actually valid to assume they aren't on par with the likes of Bane and Kas'im who are two of the best duelists ever. Senya and Vaylin need to have something to their names before anyone can make the argument they can stack up with Bane and Kas'im. "Well maybe they are" isn't good enough.
No, utterly dwarfed. You clearly haven't seen my screenshots of the Temple of Ancients. It's far larger than the generator Vaylin rips parts out of. I can absolutely prove this if you want to go that route. Looking at the screenshot you posted only highlights how much smaller it is.
Also the temple was noted to be unaffected by age or neglect, so that doesn't factor into anything. And the fact that the temple withstood a capital ships bombardment with minimal damage only suggests how immense tough it was. It doesn't detract from the feat. All of this completely supercedes the nexus advantage, even if it existed.
Vaylin only ripped out one side of the structure. The majority of it still stood and it was in good enough condition for the Outlander to "repair" it enough to prevent a meltdown. It also took Vaylin some time to break the structure apart, several seconds.
Regardless, Vaylin lacks the power to defeat Bane through her TK and she doesn't exactly have any feats suggesting she can safely block his lightning either. She would fail to overwhelm Bane with the Force and get cut down.
Oct 28th, 2015 11:37 PM
