I mean, basically there are two components to this: their Force augmentation and their technical skill. The former would clearly go to Exar if it were just a product of one's mastery of the Force, but Anakin seems to possess raw power in excess of how much he's refined it to telekinesis and whatnot, so I'm not sure with that. It's enough to make Dooku shake, but how much does that have to be? Technical skill is an even murkier case; Exar has the impressive feat of essentially developing his own custom dual bladed form, but Anakin had no trouble making form modifications when he wanted to, could use jar'kai as a padawan, and was described by Dooku IIRC as one of the best djem so practitioners he had ever seen in the Jedi golden age. It's really impossible to figure out.
My semi-intuition would lean Anakin, as his raw power does seem to be far greater (the way Dooku was getting hammered even before "teh zone" isn't something we've seen Exar replicate).
Of course, this is only a question if you think there's a distinction between standard and "zone" Anakin. If the Anakin who beats Dooku is just an unrestrained one, he slaughters Kun.
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The idea of a "zone" Anakin is honestly ridiculous. It was conceived for the sole purpose of lowballing back in the olden days. I'm pretty sure the only reason people still believe it these days is because it's been ingrained in their minds for so long that it's hard to let go.
If we're actually inspecting the text and basing our analysis on related statements from Nick Gillard, what happened is pretty obvious. Anakin let go of his fear of his dark side and embraced it fully instead of stopping half-way like he always had before, and that's why he became stronger. Nothing else is even implied, really.
Anywho, lol @ this. Anakin's been said to be "possibly the most powerful Jedi of all time" on like 5 different occasions, and it's not because he's mastered the arcane secrets of the Force, guys. This is his game, and he's the best at it.
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The zone thing is also a way to make sense of why Anakin doesn't seem to exert the same magnitude of dominance over people in other circumstances, like when he fights Obi Wan, for example. But I suppose that can be explained by his sleep deprivation/not eating/being an emotional wreck/Obi Wan being the soresu master/Obi Wan knowing all his moves/Obi Wan still being on the defensive the whole fight.
It's also a little weird that the dark side provides that much of an instant power boost.
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Why would he do as well against Obi-Wan as he did against Dooku when the entire point was protecting what he loved the most? It's not about the Dark Side itself. It's about being completely committed to the goal.
He didn't do well against Obi-Wan for a variety of reasons, many of which you already mentioned. He hadn't eaten or slept for days, his judgement was clouded, Obi-Wan was intimately familiar with his fighting style, and he was conflicted. That last one's the biggie.
And regardless Anakin was still dominating that fight for the most part, against someone who was easily one of the most legendary and powerful Jedi Masters of all time.
By the way, just for shits and giggles:
This is Anakin Skywalker:
The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace.
-Revenge of the Sith
"You must keep this one." Mace laced his fingers together land squeezed until his knuckles crackled like blasterfire. "Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger.”
-Revenge of the Sith
Even after all these months, she couldn't make herself entirely believe that actual Jedi blood ran in her veins-not only Jedi blood, but the blood of arguably the most powerful Jedi in history.
-Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor
"The duel will explain how Obi-Wan is able to defeat his protege, even though Anakin has been established as the most powerful Jedi who ever lived. Obi-Wan taught Anakin and Anakin has gone past him. But when you get to that duel, it's emotional. That's where the mistake will be made."
EDIT: ninja'd, but applies to the above too Hmmm ok interesting point. If "Zonakin" is the real Anakin (and he apparently undergoes a haxxed growth from season 6 to RotS), he might be more powerful than Yoda, lawl.
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Freshest does make an interesting point; Mustafar Anakin seems to underperform despite his embracing the dark side; it seem to be more a product of emotional clarity, either focused to the dark or light, than specifically choosing the dark.
I mean, maybe.
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Again, what people underestimate is the inner conflict. As Palpatine described it in Rise of Darth Vader, Anakin was "between worlds". He hadn't completely given himself to the dark side, and you can see that in the movie--he still has regrets, he's not all the way into this evil gig until after Padme's death and his maiming at Obi-Wan's hands.
That inner conflict weakens him, dulls his edge so to speak. Just like it did when he fought Luke in Return of the Jedi, as referenced by Dave Filoni.
To contrast with that, Anakin embraced the dark side fully when he fought Dooku. He wanted to kill Dooku, and Palpatine gave him the permission he needed to cross that line. It did cause him some troubles down the road, but not during the fight.
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