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Comparing the Ancient Sith to Modern Sith

Recently I've considered raising the stature of Dooku relative to the ancient sith, and also relative to Vader for that matter. I used to have the likes of Naga Sadow on par with Dooku; now I think Tyranus is more on the level of Ragnos, as a Force user.

Maybe I'm thinking, as Force wielders:

TPM Sidious (pre-Plagueis death) ~ Valkorion
Darth Caedus ~ novel Vitiate
RotJ Vader >= Exar Kun
Dooku ~ Ragnos > Darth Revan*
Maul ~ Naga Sadow < Freedon Nadd < Tulak Hord ~ Darth Revan
Obi Wan ~ Ludo Kreesh

And as duelists:

Dooku ~ RotJ Vader ~ Exar Kun
Obi Wan ~ Tulak Hord
Ventress ~ Marka Ragnos <= Darth Revan
And then down from there.

* I'd say Revan surpasses Dooku by KotOR, and is around Vader's ballpark by SoR.

Maybe that works?

What methodology should we use anyway? I scale from Sidious/Vitiate, and from some feat benchmarks and general accolades.


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I'm surprised you could read it properly, tbh.


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Imho, Muur, Pall, Ragnos and Nadd are between Tyranus and Vader, in the force.


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There's also the question of pre-Nathema Vitiate; he's suggested to be a rival of Nadd, but not on the level of Ragnos.


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There's also the question of pre-Nathema Vitiate; he's suggested to be a rival of Nadd, but not on the level of Ragnos.

Interesting. I have Nadd~Ragnos, tbh.


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Since when was pre-Nathema Vitiate compared to Freedon Nadd? Nadd wasn't born until well after the Nathema ritual.
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Derp, I mean Naga Sadow, who's weaker than Nadd.

I'd say pre-Nathema Vitiate could fall in-between Maul and Dooku.


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Sadow wasn't compared to pre-Nathema Vitiate, was he?
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Didn't Vitiate say something of that sort? Perhaps I'm remembering wrong.

In either case, I think it's implied that he wasn't as powerful as Ragnos.


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My opinion atm

Novel-Vitate
Vader~Kun
Nadd >/~ Ragnos
Pall
Muur~Hord
Tyranus~Dreypa~Sadow >/~ Pre-Nathema Vitate
Darth Revan
Maul
Kressh


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Ursumeles
My opinion atm

Novel-Vitate
Vader~Kun
Nadd >/~ Ragnos
Pall
Muur~Hord
Tyranus~Dreypa~Sadow >/~ Pre-Nathema Vitate
Darth Revan
Maul
Kressh


As Force users, I'm assuming?


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Didn't Vitiate say something of that sort? Perhaps I'm remembering wrong.

In either case, I think it's implied that he wasn't as powerful as Ragnos.


Since when has Vitiate ever spoken about the Ancient Sith directly?

Although he might in the upcoming expansion, where his father apparently returns as a Ghost to assist in killing Vitiate permanently.
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As Force users, I'm assuming?

Yes.


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Didn't Vitiate say something of that sort? Perhaps I'm remembering wrong.

In either case, I think it's implied that he wasn't as powerful as Ragnos.

Right.

The child who will come to be known as the Sith Emperor is born. Black-eyed, heartless, and supremely strong in the dark side of the Force, the boy seizes control of his homeworld by the age of 13 and earns the title Lord Vitiate. He amasses an army of Sith followers and turns his back on Imperial politics to hone his skills in the dark side.

From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

That is era of Marka Ragnos.
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Thanaton was supremely powerful during the era of Nox and Vitiate erm

I mean, it's also the TOR Encyclopedia, which dishes out those "supremely powerful" accolades like candy during Halloween.
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Although he might in the upcoming expansion, where his father apparently returns as a Ghost to assist in killing Vitiate permanently.

What?

How can they kill him permanently?
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What?

How can they kill him permanently?


You know Vitiate has to die sometime, right?

And since he's all about rituals, it seems like the protagonist, Arcann, Dramath, and a bunch of the others band up to use a ritual to eliminate him. Or at least attempt to. I don't remember.
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You know Vitiate has to die sometime, right?


LMFAO.


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Thanaton was supremely powerful during the era of Nox and Vitiate erm

I mean, it's also the TOR Encyclopedia, which dishes out those "supremely powerful" accolades like candy during Halloween.

I take that as an editing error.

With several authors contributing to the same book, you are likely to run into mistakes like that.
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