They are angry because they have been forced to recognize that their hour has arrived; that the time has come to surrender power to Shimrra and the new order."
I'd normally say Tenebrous - and I still voted for him - but it is true that Tenebrous -> Plagueis and Plagueis -> Sidious are probably outlier jumps, seeing as how they benefited from their midichlorian manipulation and Force balance shifting.
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Vader if you take the 80 percent thing at face value, especially since Palpatine not only is much stronger in ROTJ but that shift thing that Elimnist said gave Palpatine and Plaguies massive boosts in power.
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Yeah I thought you would say that. The thing is it's just too vague. We don't know the circumstances of how the apprentices killed their master. We know Palpatine killed Plagueis in his sleep, so it's safe to assume the apprentice didn't always kill the master in fair combat.
From what I know about Tenebrous, he was powerful in the force in aspects other than combat. The only thing that would give him an advantage is his lightning, but of course Vader could just block that.
There are various statements that say that the Banite Sith became progressively stronger with each generation, though. Even if there were instances where the apprentice didn't kill the master in fair combat--which isn't necessarily common, just a case that we witnessed--that doesn't mean that the apprentice didn't eventually surpass the master, that's what happened in Palpatine's case. It's not really speculating to say that the final recipients of Bane's power were stronger than the original, in any case; the order canonically grew progressively stronger, and they've had 1,000 years to do so. That's more 'basic reasoning' than 'speculation.' As for Tenebrous specifically, it's true that we don't know much about his power other than the fact that he's stronger than Bane, but we have seen the Banite Sith closest to him in the hierarchy--Plagueis and Sidious, who were arguably the two most powerful Sith in history. With that in mind, paired with the fact that everything we've seen/heard of from Tenebrous (as little as that is) is pretty damn impressive, it's not illogical to speculate that he's also a top 10 contender. That being said, given how little we know about his combative potential, no one will ever be able to say for sure whether or not he could beat out Darth Vader--but I am confident he'd give him hell, one way or the other.
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We also don't know how much more powerful Plagueis was than him, it could have been a huge jump. That's all I'm saying is that it's a lot of speculation so I'm not a huge fan of the whole banite scaling. Obviously over time it worked, seeing as Plagueis and Palpatine were the most powerful of the sith, but in each individual case between master and apprentice we don't know. It'd be a great fight though imo,but I think Vader would take it.
Banite scaling isn't an inference from power transitions; it's been stated in multiple sources that each Banite sith was more powerful than the last. As for Tenebrous, it's incorrect to say that combat wasn't a focus of his, given his obsession with dueling.
And yeah, this is incredibly speculative - but the reverse position is too.
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People really need to stop harping on about the circumstances of the deaths or the lost knowledge from Gravid's defection etc. etc.
It's confirmed by a myriad of sources since 1999 that each Banite Sith was stronger than the last. We know that Gean still killed Gravid, which still allows her to surpass him in raw power despite the lost knowledge. And we know that Plagueis and Sidious still grew more powerful upon their masters' deaths (and afterwards), regardless of circumstance.
So it's absolute fact that each successive Banite Sith was stronger than the last, and people need to stop trying to find holes in that. It's not just a theory, it's a law laid out by (numerous) sourcebooks.
Oct 16th, 2016 05:40 PM
Exactly.
