Probably Kylo, because I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. That said, I think it would be a very hard-earned win for him based on what we've seen up to this point(assuming he won at all.)
Those Magnaguards were at least good enough to give RotS Anakin and Kenobi pause, after all, and Kylo's saber prowess hasn't exactly been what I would call 'impressive' thus far. /shrug
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The ST appears to be following the trend of "PT duelists >>>> all", with Pablo or someone apparently saying that Kylo is an unpolished duelist or whatever.
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^ Because Rey had virtually no formal training with a lightsaber, and still bested the Praetorian Guards as well. IOW, Kylo besting them doesn't really stand out to me as some uber display of saber prowess that automatically puts him above the Magnaguards... As mentioned, these two Magnaguards gave RotS Anakin and Kenobi pause -- and I'm sure we can agree that each of them were vastly better swordsmen than young Benjamin.
Again, I'd really like to think Kylo can beat a couple Magnaguards, but it's quite difficult for me to think of a showing that is indicative of such... /shrug
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I mean the CIS had considerable funds as well, and there's a limit to how powerful I think non-Force sensitives could be relative to robotic magnaguards programmed with fighting instructions who can give Obi Wan/Anakin trouble.
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A very creative and nuanced answer. I'm truly impressed DD.
So here's my nuanced response to an argument premised on such subtleties. Assuming Snoke doesn't have limitless resources at his disposal, which areas do you think he can save money to fund these 60km ships? Personal security might be one. Did you ever consider that frugality might be how the rich stay that way...? Par example Warren Buffett, chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway, still lives in the same home he bought for $31,500 in 1958 and Ingvar Kamprad, founder of IKEA, reportedly flies economy and often rides the bus. Having crap fighters as your personal bodyguards could easily be a nice way to characterise Snoke's arrogance.
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I mean Guri was a pretty kick-ass personal body-guard/assassin/sex-toy who could only be defeated by a jedi-knight in hand-to-hand combat, gave Luke a run for his money, but Snoke doesn't have one of her despite presumably being rich as Xizor.
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Depends how you really look at it, the Last Jedi novelization and the Force Awakens Visual Guide (partially) answers those complains. On Jakku, Rey trained daily to hone her skills with her quarterstaff to the point that she is said to have 'perfected' stabbing, swinging, ... motions. The TFA visual guide confirms that these skills are excellent for the transition to "shorter melee weapons" (AKA a lightsaber). On the other hand, she's probably on of the most natural Force wielders out there and the OT (and now the ST) have placed the emphasis on Force power (and its mastery) rather than duelling techniques. If you look at Luke, he didn't get any real lightsaber training besides the basic deflections lesson from Obi-Wan yet he becomes someone who can challenge Darth Vader in a relative short period. So no, I think that Rey killing the same number of guards isn't against the original argument I made for Kylo.
Going back to the RotS duel I think it's also important to make a distinction between an Obi-Wan and Anakin that are going full throttle on an opponent and them fighting some random magnaguards. Sure, they had some difficulty defeating them but it never seemed they were in an extremely dangerous situation that would push them to their limits.
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Sure agreed, on the other hand those PT guards are the best warriors the First Order - an organisation that is centred around creating super soldiers as it's standard personel - has as they need to represent Snoke's fighting protection considering his deminished physical state (TLJ Visual Guide). I think that if those magnaguards, 50 year old technology by the time of TFA, are truly superior than those PT guards than Snoke would buy a truckload of those and let them be trained. Add to that the lightsaber resistent armor they wear and defeating them becomes a lot more difficult.
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Sure, good point there although I don't think a couple bodyguards are going to compensate for the massive cost of his ships Besides we know that they spent an extreme amount of resources on training their average footsoldier so I don't think they will hold back on their Supreme Leaders personal guards.
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Besides we know that they spent an extreme amount of resources on training their average footsoldier so I don't think they will hold back on their Supreme Leaders personal guards.
