Since most of you guys are feat-mongers: Pure/Kid Buu is the weakest character who actually insta-planet-busted on panel(sans core destruction or w/e)--and he did so with literally no effort at all. So even IF you assume it requires Pure Buu-level power to destroy a planet in DBZ(which is silly, given everything to the contrary), there are still characters who are several orders of magnitude more powerful than him. Examples:
-SSJ3 Goku(full power)
-SSJ1 Gotenks
-SSJ3 Gotenks
-Super Buu
-Mystic Gohan
-Buutenks
-Buuhan
-Vegetto
-SSJG Goku
-SSJGSSJ Goku/Vegeta
-Beerus
-Whis
(And that's not even factoring in the haxxness of GT characters/power levels.)
Suffice to say: if you believe the ability to destroy a planet makes one a herald, then at least some of the listed characters would literally have to be in the Trans-tier by proxy. Imo.
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I had thought about that. That is why I said I was conflicted.
I am hesitant to put them in Trans because IMO it takes more than a strong energy attack to be in this tier (even though in my mind the level of attack is beyond most/all heralds). At the same time if I look at who is in the Trans tier from comics, I can't put Goku for example, next to Amazo or Superman 1 Million in the same tier.
I would say some may be above herald but definitely lower than Trans considering the existing characters actually in Trans.
None of them are Skyfathers. At least not Odin level Skyfathers.
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Eh, that isn't the best feat to use. Look I agree that their energy output far exceeds their strength levels. They could easily destroy a planet with energy attacks, but not really via punching it Gladiator style.
On the other hand Goku by that point in the series still should of been strong enough to lift 40 tons with no trouble. On top of that I think it was more like 400 tons due to the higher levels of gravity. That doesn't make it much better, but you also have Akira Toriyama calling the scene stupid.
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If the gravity was high enough to make it 400 tons, it would be called 400 tons, not 40.
The scene was stupid, but what physical feats does DBZ really have? The single best feat is Super Buu punching a blast through one side of the planet and out the other. Which is good, but it's not nearly up to par with a high herald like Superman benching the Earth for a student amount of time, or cutting a moon in half by flying by it for a post-crisis feat.
In terms of sheer energy output, I see no reason why some of them wouldn't be Trans-level, tbh.
Where durability is concerned, guys like Beerus/Whis can outright tank planetary explosions at ground zero without even flinching--hell, Freeza survived the detonation of Namek when he was almost entirely drained of energy AND cut in half, so yeah.
Speed is meh. While DBZ doesn't have the amount of quantifiable speed feats we've seen in comics, I personally think the battle speed of some of the more powerful Z fighters would be sufficient to contend with most heralds.
Brute strength feats are where DBZ is lacking most. Comics take that category all day long.... But for what it's worth, there is this: (please log in to view the image)
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Energywise he is higher but physically? Well Spiderman beat a HH, take it for what it's worth.
Sometimes it is enough to damage the core of something to destroy it. Superboy destroyed Universes by flying through the core of their center, the earths.
What about Gokus after GT. I mean 100 years of training and the fusion with the DB. Trans or Skyfather seems legit in my eyes, benefit of the doubt of course.
Me neither but I can see Surfer for example, doing the things they did. Just my opinion.
But then again, Surfer has Trans+ feats too and can survive in the heart of the Sun. Other heralds tanked Supernova like explosions and other attacks.
Their speed is on par imo.
I also have the impression that the DB planets are rather small, not even Moon size, but this might be because of the artwork. Anyway, the best strength feat was Goku supporting and lifting, a bit, a part of a City, which is vastly below anything a Herald can do.
But then again, does a herald level being have to have a strength in that level or are all other abilities not sufficient.
Imo guys like Beerus, SSJ4 Goku etc are somewhere in the Herald tier. What makes it so hard to judge imo is the gap between them. For example, If I would put SSJ1 in the low Herald tier, SSJ2 would have to be a bit higher, maybe mid tier, but then we have still SSJ3 and 4 and beings stronger. So how can you place a being that is signigicantly more powerful in the same tier?
I see the powerlevels more like Manapools (or Ki-pool), sure they get sometimes a new level or ability but a DB fighter has his aura, a shield, that consumes mana, his attacks that are boosted by mana and require mana to be cast spells/blasts, his physical stats like speed that are boosted by mana. So the more powerful you are the more mana you have, the more mana you can use before you run out of it. Someone with a powerlevel with 200, who needs 50 for his attack, an attack that can be blocked by a let's say 50 shield, against someone with a 400 powerlevel, would be almost useless.
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