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What reaaaallly makes your blood boil in comics?

The little things that make you angry.

I'm sometimes pissed off when they don't always show the exact tonnage of things characters weight or the speeds they fly. That forces me to do extensive study of things and comparising the things in the world and in comics. Example:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/16...omsship13jn.gif
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/...omsship23zh.gif
The ship there has been described as floating city, so it obviously is big. But I have no way of knowing how much does it weigh...since there isn't a ship like that in this world. So all I really know that it is heavy. sad

It's easier when they lift/do something to things from this world, or when they fly with speeds where some kind of timeframe has stated. That's why comics like Ultimate Universe's are cool. They state speeds/tonnage/name of the item 80% of time. yes


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The little things that make you angry.

I'm sometimes pissed off when they don't always show the exact tonnage of things characters weight or the speeds they fly. That forces me to do extensive study of things and comparising the things in the world and in comics. Example:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/16...omsship13jn.gif
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/...omsship23zh.gif
The ship there has been described as floating city, so it obviously is big. But I have no way of knowing how much does it weigh...since there isn't a ship like that in this world. So all I really know that it is heavy. sad

It's easier when they lift/do something to things from this world, or when they fly with speeds where some kind of timeframe has stated. That's why comics like Ultimate Universe's are cool. They state speeds/tonnage/name of the item 80% of time. yes


Marvel is great a creating ambiguous feats of power and strength .... I reckon you got this idea from my comment about the midguard serpent ? smile

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The little things that make you angry.

I'm sometimes pissed off when they don't always show the exact tonnage of things characters weight or the speeds they fly. That forces me to do extensive study of things and comparising the things in the world and in comics. Example:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/16...omsship13jn.gif
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/...omsship23zh.gif
The ship there has been described as floating city, so it obviously is big. But I have no way of knowing how much does it weigh...since there isn't a ship like that in this world. So all I really know that it is heavy. sad

It's easier when they lift/do something to things from this world, or when they fly with speeds where some kind of timeframe has stated. That's why comics like Ultimate Universe's are cool. They state speeds/tonnage/name of the item 80% of time. yes


Ok the easiest thing to do is work with the size of it , hell all you need is an image of the entire island or some sort of scale to put it on . Then you can compare it to other objects until you have what you consider an accurate amount.


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Marvel is great a creating ambiguous feats of power and strength .... I reckon you got this idea from my comment about the midguard serpent ? smile


Had this problem for a long time, but yes. smile


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Ok the easiest thing to do is work with the size of it , hell all you need is an image of the entire island or some sort of scale to put it on . Then you can compare it to other objects until you have what you consider an accurate amount.


Yeah. That's what I do sometimes.

Problem is that sometimes comics have the scales messed up too. big grin


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The little things that make you angry.

I'm sometimes pissed off when they don't always show the exact tonnage of things characters weight or the speeds they fly. That forces me to do extensive study of things and comparising the things in the world and in comics. Example:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/16...omsship13jn.gif
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/...omsship23zh.gif
The ship there has been described as floating city, so it obviously is big. But I have no way of knowing how much does it weigh...since there isn't a ship like that in this world. So all I really know that it is heavy. sad

It's easier when they lift/do something to things from this world, or when they fly with speeds where some kind of timeframe has stated. That's why comics like Ultimate Universe's are cool. They state speeds/tonnage/name of the item 80% of time. yes


Yes! That's why I recently developed a new strength-scale system to try and compensate. But as the good Doctor Skank pointed out in another thread, it still can not completely account for some of the gross inconsistencies.

And I do hate those inconsistencies.

I also do not like magic: plot device.

I also do not like when the following levels of power are thrown about willy-nilly, w/o giving any real thought to what these power levels actually entail...
1. Being able to take a nuke. As I illustrated in other threads, so much goddamn power is released in a megaton explosion, that Superman (eg) would need to absorb sunlight for 500,000 years to be able to counter that much energy with an equal amount of (aura) energy.
2. Flying or dodging at/near lightspeed. Jeez! There are so many things wrong with this, I don't even know where to begin.
And lastly, my "favorite"...
3. Moving planets. 'Nuff said.

The above should be saved for only the very, very top tier characters. Otherwise, if they become too familiar, they cease to amaze, they cease to do the very thing the feats are presented to do.

I'm also not all that crazy about some retcons, though I think retconning itself is a good idea (or at least, sometimes a necessary evil).


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Healing Factors . Nuff said


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Ok the easiest thing to do is work with the size of it , hell all you need is an image of the entire island or some sort of scale to put it on . Then you can compare it to other objects until you have what you consider an accurate amount.


Google is a godsend in this respect. If you type in the write words, you can find almost anything. And if not a ready-made answer, there are formulae for figuring out obscure facts.

Sometimes I can imagine how Mr. Spock must've felt everytime he used his Library computer on the Enterprise.


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Spock : *Looking at a 8888 post* This is illogical , Wolverines healing factor cannot allow him to survive a full scale heat vision blast !


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I hate it when the Healing Factor is an answer to everything. "Wolverine could survive longer underwater because of his healing factor." What the f*#@ is that?

I also hate it when overhyped characters get turned into overrated pieces of crap, like Superboy Prime.


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http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/16...omsship13jn.gif
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/...omsship23zh.gif
The ship there has been described as floating city...


Cool pics, BTW. I really like that art style too.

With this particular example, maybe I can be of some help.
When the World Trade Towers collapsed, it was estimated that there was about 400 to 500 kilotons of rubble. Prior, the Towers were often described as cities unto themselves.

A really big, fully loaded supertanker weighs in at about 500 to 600 kilotons.

An aircraft carrier (which, also, has often been described as a "floating city") weighs in at a mere 80 kilotons.

Judging from the size of the screws in the pic, and from what we can see of the hull and keel, it is reasonable, I think, to assume that Doom's ship is comparable in size to a supertanker or skyscraper, maybe somewhat bigger if you wanna throw in a lil' awe factor. It is probably safe to assume, therefore (in the absence of other data), that Doom's ship probably weighs in at about 600 to 800 kilotons. Maybe 1000 kt, a nice round awe-inspiring number.


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Cool pics, BTW. I really like that art style too.

With this particular example, maybe I can be of some help.
When the World Trade Towers collapsed, it was estimated that there was about 400 to 500 kilotons of rubble. Prior, the Towers were often described as cities unto themselves.

A really big, fully loaded supertanker weighs in at about 500 to 600 kilotons.

An aircraft carrier (which, also, has often been described as a "floating city") weighs in at a mere 80 kilotons.

Judging from the size of the screws in the pic, and from what we can see of the hull and keel, it is reasonable, I think, to assume that Doom's ship is comparable in size to a supertanker or skyscraper, maybe somewhat bigger if you wanna throw in a lil' awe factor. It is probably safe to assume, therefore (in the absence of other data), that Doom's ship probably weighs in at about 600 to 800 kilotons. Maybe 1000 kt, a nice round awe-inspiring number.


Thanks for the help. smile Pretty good estimate.


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Healing Factors . Nuff said


Without healing factors we wouldn't have Deadpool.


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Healing Factors . Nuff said

and sometime adimantium claws.

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Wolverine portrayed beating the Hulk, Namor, Thing, Spider-Man.............. It's a load of . I like Wolverine but I'm sick of him shown beating characters well out of his league.


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Wolverine portrayed beating the Hulk, Namor, Thing, Spider-Man.............. It's a load of . I like Wolverine but I'm sick of him shown beating characters well out of his league.



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