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Are PIS and SvFL similar concepts? If not explain why.


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lol, similar in what way?

yes, they both are comic book forum rules, they both describe which feats are proper to use and give some reason for it...

sortof in the same way that up is a similar concept to down, given that they both describe a potential direction for movement.

They aren't the same though. An event that is PIS may or may not be a SMvFL, and vice versa. There is enough differance to warrant them being differant concepts.

Why?


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SMvFL can be PIS, and most likely is. but not nescesarily.


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Forgive me. SMvFL means...?


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lol, similar in what way?

yes, they both are comic book forum rules, they both describe which feats are proper to use and give some reason for it...

sortof in the same way that up is a similar concept to down, given that they both describe a potential direction for movement.

They aren't the same though. An event that is PIS may or may not be a SMvFL, and vice versa. There is enough differance to warrant them being differant concepts.

Why?


Its because of this statment in SvFL:

Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.

Eventhough this statement is not found under PIS, could it not be argued that the bolded statement can apply to PIS since both concepts are similar?

In other words if something happens enough times its not SvFl or PIS.


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Originally posted by Mindship
Forgive me. SMvFL means...?


Spider-Man vs Fire Lord

it is basically in reference to the time where spidey beat up firelord, although it should not have happened (ie, firelord is too strong for spidey to even have a chance)

almost like a specialized form of PIS


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Well, PIS is when they have someone do something ridiculous to advance the plot.

SMvFL is a ridiculous thing in itself, but it only applies to feats, and not to storylines.


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Well, PIS is when they have someone do something ridiculous to advance the plot.

SMvFL is a ridiculous thing in itself, but it only applies to feats, and not to storylines.


Well yeah but basically you're just agreeing with me.


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Its because of this statment in SvFL:

Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.

Eventhough this statement is not found under PIS, could it not be argued that the bolded statement can apply to PIS since both concepts are similar?


hmmmmmm

That almost seems like a PIS feat for superman, since he should theoretically be able to hear bats heart and muscles, regardless of how quite he walks....

You'd have to get a mod to answer this one better than me, but in general, no rules in a situation like this are going to be easy to define, we cant run experiments to get real data. These should give us a guideline

but to answer you question, there is no reason that in the batman/superman feat couldn't be PIS (I'd almost say it has to be) however, its clearly not SMvFL.

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In other words if something happens enough times its not SvFl or PIS.


no, I'd compleatly disagree with this

Rhino looses every time he comes out, however, here we don't use his jobber aura as a realistic argument, its the only reason why he is capable of hanging with the thing on these boards.


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Originally posted by inamilist
hmmmmmm

That almost seems like a PIS feat for superman, since he should theoretically be able to hear bats heart and muscles, regardless of how quite he walks....



Well yeah apparently Bats used some tech, but as far as I know it only stopped the sound of his heart. Apart from his heart there are still loads of things Superman could hear.

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You'd have to get a mod to answer this one better than me, but in general, no rules in a situation like this are going to be easy to define, we cant run experiments to get real data. These should give us a guideline


Er ok.

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but to answer you question, there is no reason that in the batman/superman feat couldn't be PIS (I'd almost say it has to be) however, its clearly not SMvFL.


Well yeah I know, its just some people on this forum want to argue because they cant admit being wrong.


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no, I'd compleatly disagree with this

Rhino looses every time he comes out, however, here we don't use his jobber aura as a realistic argument, its the only reason why he is capable of hanging with the thing on these boards.


Yeah but this is the thing the batman superman example implies that is it happens enough times its allowed.


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The thing is yeah superman can hear kyle rayner from across the galaxy then we're meant to beleive he can't hear Batman's heart yeah machinery was used but isn't concieveable that Superman would of been able to hear the machine working???? Damn though cause bat's was hiding near the roof in the tower so had the tower machinery as a interference excuse.

>_> Damn PIS


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The thing is yeah superman can hear kyle rayner from across the galaxy then we're meant to beleive he can't hear Batman's heart yeah machinery was used but isn't concieveable that Superman would of been able to hear the machine????


MMMM I dunno about that Bats has some pretty good tech. You need to ask Marvelprince the details. From what I can remember he said the device stopped the sound of his heart. If this is the case then that does not explain it because there so many other things Superman can hear.


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The thing is yeah superman can hear kyle rayner from across the galaxy then we're meant to beleive he can't hear Batman's heart yeah machinery was used but isn't concieveable that Superman would of been able to hear the machine working???? Damn though cause bat's was hiding near the roof in the tower so had the tower machinery as a interference excuse.


Esentially, yes. There's no reason for it to happen, at all, unless Superman just isn't caring or paying attention. If it's repeated, to be honest, it's just repeated stupidity.


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Ofcourse Batman sneaking up on Superman is PIS. 1 + 1 will never be 3, no matter how often you keep repeating it.

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Ofcourse Batman sneaking up on Superman is PIS. 1 + 1 will never be 3, no matter how often you keep repeating it.


So true.


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Ofcourse Batman sneaking up on Superman is PIS. 1 + 1 will never be 3, no matter how often you keep repeating it.


This is the thing im not even arguing against it. If it is PIS then the forum rules say that something is not PIS if it happens all the time.


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This is the thing im not even arguing against it. If it is PIS then the forum rules say that something is not PIS if it happens all the time.


I know the rules say just that. But it doesn't make sense, imo.

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I know the rules say just that. But it doesn't make sense, imo.


Here we go again. It may not make sense but those are the rules!!! Furthermore Spiderman and Wonder Woman not being bulletproof doesnt make any sense either. Spiderman can dodge bullets and lasers in mid-flight does he have the power to make a sonic boom?


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Here we go again. It may not make sense but those are the rules!!! Furthermore Spiderman and Wonder Woman not being bulletproof doesnt make any sense either. Spiderman can dodge bullets and lasers in mid-flight does he have the power to make a sonic boom?


Actually, it does make sense in Spiderman's case. He's already proportionally more durable than a human, just not bulletproof. I agree that it doesn't in Wonder Woman's case, unless it's a special weakness that has a reason. Which I believe it does.

Spiderman has his spidersense to aid him in combat. It also helps him dodge bullets (in some ways). And what do you mean sonic boom? He should be able to clap with more force than your average human, but he has never done an actual sonic boom.

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Actually, it does make sense in Spiderman's case. He's already proportionally more durable than a human, just not bulletproof.


The guy can lift the back of a train. Its not illogical at that strength level he should be bulletproof.

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I agree that it doesn't in Wonder Woman's case, unless it's a special weakness that has a reason. Which I believe it does.


Dont give me that crap. Does it say she has a special weakness here or does it just say she is vulnerable to bullets?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder...s_and_abilities

Diana is one of the strongest superheroes in the DC Universe. Her stamina affords her incredible resistance to injury and blunt force trauma. However, Diana's skin is not invulnerable and can be pierced by sharp projectiles with sufficient force distributed over a small surface area (such as bullets or arrows).

Its not a special weakness its just the way shes been written stop looking for loopholes.

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Spiderman has his spidersense to aid him in combat. It also helps him dodge bullets (in some ways). And what do you mean sonic boom? He should be able to clap with more force than your average human, but he has never done an actual sonic boom.


If he can dodge bullets and lasers in midflight he should be able to make a sonic boom because he can move faster than the speed of sound.


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