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So where the Brothers really supreme?
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Astner
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So where the Brothers really supreme?

There have been a huge discussion about this, and now I want to see what the members think.

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Endless Mike
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No. They were incapable of defeating each other, temporarily merged by the Spectre and the Living Tribunal, unaware of the outcomes of things....

none of these are the traits of supreme beings.


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Dude, you already made a thread for discussing the Brothers.

Why would you make another thread for the same topic?


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This is not for the discussion, this is for the outcome of the discussion.

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But if it just turns into another discussion regarding the Brothers, (which is innevitable when people are debating a subject), then it's really no different then your first Brothers related thread. erm


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Originally posted by Galan007
But if it just turns into another discussion regarding the Brothers, (which is innevitable when people are debating a subject), then it's really no different then your first Brothers related thread. erm

But it's better that we had a discussion before making it a poll, there are people voting before reading, at least they got a clue now.
I don't want random results.

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I think they were

I dont think its the same as an item making you supreme(and mistaking the power as supreme),this is two beings,that were all that was, for the purpose of the story yes they were supreme

I dont care if its not canon,its a story that was brought up in a thread that has merit,people are going to use them in debates if they state Pre Retcon brothers,i dont think the thread will be closed

Btw-i think a poll after a discussion is a good idea


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Question: So where the Brothers really supreme?

Answer: [SPOILER - highlight to read]: I hate Amalgam comics shifty


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Originally posted by Endless Mike
No. They were incapable of defeating each other, temporarily merged by the Spectre and the Living Tribunal, unaware of the outcomes of things....

none of these are the traits of supreme beings.

Well, about that temporerly merging I cannot say much, why--Because I'm not sure.
I'm not if it was a part of their plan, or whatever.
A reasonable explanation is that the Brothers had given their respective cosmic guardians too much authority.
The Living Tribunal and Spectre's power was their gift, a part of them.

So they could only merge the Brothers, because they had given them that right, trust if you will.
But later on in the series, the Living Tribunal and Spectre where nothing to them.

And I'll even use the same source of information that Mr Master has as basis for the Heart of Infinite theory.

quote:
Powers/Abilities: Considering that the Brothers are the sum total of everything in the Marvel universe (and the rest of its multiverse-- see comments) and DC universe, they are incalculably powerful, and even such cosmic entities such as Eternity are like insects to them. The Living Tribunal, the most powerful being known in the Marvel Universe, was barely able to stall them, and was beneath their notice.


http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

And of course it's aproved by Marvel as you can see at the end of the page.

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The fact remains that they were not able to do everything effortlessly, which is what being supreme would entail.


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Originally posted by Endless Mike
The fact remains that they were not able to do everything effortlessly, which is what being supreme would entail.

I see no effort, struggle, resistance or anything else of its liking here.

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And I don't see the Brothers breaking free. I just see, "The Brothers do not like it" and on the next page they're free.

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But I see this, two beings stated to encompass everything.

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I see "Power unleashed that none has ever witnessed before ... And the Spectre and the Living Tribunal are awed."

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I see two beings trying to prevent something that they cannot, I see no affection, all I see is. "Yup. the Spectre and the Living Tribunal trying to hold back the Brothers back. For all difference they're making."

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And yes, I could even state as the site aproved by Marvel states.
The Living Tribunal and the Spectre were beneath their notecing.

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Stop, you're turning into the same as the other thread, but with a poll at the top so can you can see that Thanos and Starlock are the only two who believe such.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And I'll even use the same source of information that Mr Master has as basis for the Heart of Infinite theory.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

And of course it's aproved by Marvel as you can see at the end of the page.


I'm not partaking in this debate,

but since my name was used I felt I should add this:

(SAME Site you used)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm


"It is revealed that the Brothers did not merge. Instead,

in a last ditch effort to prevent having a universe torn apart,

the Living Tribunal and Spectre had created an Amalgam universe

as a result of THEIR HOLDING the UniverseS Together with THEIR immense Power
.

The Brothers were upset over that" roll eyes (sarcastic)


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And they were unable to defeat each other, unable to instantly foresee the results of the fights they set up, etc.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm not partaking in this debate,

but since my name was used I felt I should add this:

(SAME Site you used)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm


"It is revealed that the Brothers did not merge. Instead,

in a last ditch effort to prevent having a universe torn apart,

the Living Tribunal and Spectre had created an Amalgam universe

as a result of THEIR HOLDING the UniverseS Together with THEIR immense Power
.

The Brothers were upset over that" roll eyes (sarcastic)

Yes but as you know, the powers where given to them, since the Brothers encomassed everything, the Living Tribunal and Spectre would be a part of them.
And it was just like: "The Brothers did not like it" next page* they're free.

So at which the same point as they realized it was not their way they de-fused, de-merged or whatever you call it.

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
And they were unable to defeat each other, unable to instantly foresee the results of the fights they set up, etc.


And this scan is for you.

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Originally posted by Juntai
Stop, you're turning into the same as the other thread, but with a poll at the top so can you can see that Thanos and Starlock are the only two who believe such.

All the spiters of the Brothers have been here already, but not even a procent of the members which vissit the comicbook section.

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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I see no effort, struggle, resistance or anything else of its liking here.

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And I don't see the Brothers breaking free. I just see, "The Brothers do not like it" and on the next page they're free.

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Here are the Scans that go In-between those Two Scans of yours,

uhm you know where the "Struggle" takes place:

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There is obviously, NO struggle in any of these scans.


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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But I see this, two beings stated to encompass everything.

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And I see this,

the Being that truly encompasses Everything!

According to Marvel Canonicity.




"This Being was the only Living Thing that Existed within Any and ALL Realities"
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"ALL That Was and ALL that Was Was it"


Then Thanos says, "I wouldn't blame you for calling it "GOD" ...

What other name would fit?"

(which makes sense)





"ALL That Was Was already Part of Itself ... there was NO Other in it's Life"
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"It chose to put an End to itself ...

from it's Ashes rose ALL That is currently Reality ... in ALL it's many forms"







Diana of the Dark Shoppe (in another Universe) basically tells the same tale:

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ALL Official and Canon.


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Originally posted by Mr Master
Here are the Scans that go In-between those Two Scans of yours,

uhm you know where the "Struggle" takes place:

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There is obviously, NO struggle in any of these scans.

So from seeing the Living Tribunal and Spectre struggeling you asmue the Brothers did?
And in the last scan there you can even see that Access are giving the Living Tribunal and the Spectre more powers.
In other words he empowers them with all the energies in the universe.

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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yes but as you know, the powers where given to them, since the Brothers encomassed everything, the Living Tribunal and Spectre would be a part of them.
And it was just like: "The Brothers did not like it" next page* they're free.

So at which the same point as they realized it was not their way they de-fused, de-merged or whatever you call it.


T, you can't debate something you don't read.


The Brothers did NOT release themselves.

The Brothers did NOT "de-fuse" or "de-emerge" or anything of the like.


Spectre, the Living Tribunal and Acces together released the Brothers safely.




This is right before the LT & Spectre release the Brothers:




"We're using it to Restore the Universes"

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After the separation exactly One split down the middle of Two Realities.

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Immediately afterwards:


"The Universe that was an Amalgam of Two Others blows apart"
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"We're back to the Universes co-existing"





Had Access not helped, the Brothers would have been Obliterated:

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"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated,

then the BUM helped me Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN"

"Someplace where NO Aspect of the Brothers existed"


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Access said, when it looked like the Universes (Brothers) were going to be destroyed,

the BUM helped him jump somewhere in-between.


NOW, when did it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated?

At the same time that the, "BUM" help him jump In-between?

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And there is the "BUM", helping Access Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN,

when the Universes were about to be Obliterated.


When did this happen?

When the Brothers were MERGED by LT & Spectre, it's all clear On Panel. smile


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