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The Canonicity Of DC's Elseworlds

First and foremost, on the matter of Hypertime that was introduced in The Kingdom...

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ulti...36&t=004039

QUESTION: How does Hypertime factor in to the DCU now?

ANSWER: Hypertime is gone from the DCU.

Second, as of the last issue of DC's 52, there are only 52 universes in DC's main multiverse. This includes the main DC reality, the Wildstorm universe, Tangent-verse, Earth-2 JSA and I believe the Freedom Fighters.

So, counting, that makes up 5 universes of a total of 52. If you want to say all Elseworlds are canon, separate universes, this means you are flatly contradicting what DC has stated. Just in Batman and Superman Elseworlds alone, there are 59 in total. This would mean 59 separate realities.

So, if I'm wrong somehwere, I'd like to hear your insights.

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So, no replies?

Am I right or wrong and why?

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May 31st, 2007 01:31 AM

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DC doesn't know what its doing with its multiverse.

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DC doesn't know what its doing with its multiverse.

indeed.

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Re: The Canonicity Of DC's Elseworlds

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First and foremost, on the matter of Hypertime that was introduced in The Kingdom...

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ulti...36&t=004039

QUESTION: How does Hypertime factor in to the DCU now?

ANSWER: Hypertime is gone from the DCU.

Second, as of the last issue of DC's 52, there are only 52 universes in DC's main multiverse. This includes the main DC reality, the Wildstorm universe, Tangent-verse, Earth-2 JSA and I believe the Freedom Fighters.

So, counting, that makes up 5 universes of a total of 52. If you want to say all Elseworlds are canon, separate universes, this means you are flatly contradicting what DC has stated. Just in Batman and Superman Elseworlds alone, there are 59 in total. This would mean 59 separate realities.

So, if I'm wrong somehwere, I'd like to hear your insights.

In 52, when Waverider shows up, he is refered to as the "Master of Hypertime".
This event takes place after that article.
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The mainstream DC Multiverse consists of 52 Universes.

There are still other Universes that exist outside of the mainstream Multiverse.

The DCAU is just one example. The Elseworlds Universe would be another.

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Re: The Canonicity Of DC's Elseworlds

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Originally posted by Nikkolas
First and foremost, on the matter of Hypertime that was introduced in The Kingdom...

QUESTION: How does Hypertime factor in to the DCU now?

ANSWER: Hypertime is gone from the DCU.

Second, as of the last issue of DC's 52, there are only 52 universes in DC's main multiverse. This includes the main DC reality, the Wildstorm universe, Tangent-verse, Earth-2 JSA and I believe the Freedom Fighters.

So, counting, that makes up 5 universes of a total of 52. If you want to say all Elseworlds are canon, separate universes, this means you are flatly contradicting what DC has stated. Just in Batman and Superman Elseworlds alone, there are 59 in total. This would mean 59 separate realities.

So, if I'm wrong somehwere, I'd like to hear your insights.

Hypertime still exists, but Dan Dido has put restrictions on using it, any more.

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I think it was during the ending of 52 when we see a universe much like Kingdom Come. As of today KC is a Elseworld. This would hint that certain elseworlds are indeed universes of their own within the DCU multiverse.

Case in point. Dark Knight Elseworld in which Batman is choosen by Abir Sur to become Green Lantern. This change of events later cause Superman, WW, and Flash to become GL's. So there is a universe in which there only GL lanterns protecting. During IC you can almost see this image of that particular universe.

I don't think Hypertime is permanently gone. It's bound to appear again.

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I could have sworn I saw Waverider referred to as the 'Lord of Hypertime' or somesuch, in a recent comic...

I'm not sure which one though.

[edit]

Nevermind.

I just saw that another user pretty much said the same thing. embarrasment

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I could have sworn I saw Waverider referred to as the 'Lord of Hypertime' or somesuch, in a recent comic...

I'm not sure which one though.

[edit]

Nevermind.

I just saw that another user pretty much said the same thing.

Beat ya to it.
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Beat ya to it.

Damn you!!! mad

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Thanks for the info guys.

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It seems as though Hypertime's canonicity would make pre-crisis material canon in some way/shape/form..

Here's a scan from a comic, [circa 1964]:

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Now the scans from when we first saw Hypertime, back in '99:

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Take a good look at the bottom right hand corner of the second scan, [outlined in red]...

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Well the Lightening Saga, makes Pre-crisis Legion stories canon as well

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DC doesn't know what its doing with its multiverse.

This only occured to me recently. How can the Elseworlds stories prior to Alexander Luthor's experiments in Infinite Crisis, be considered to have happened on other alternate Earths, when such Earths DIDN'T exist until then? So Kingdom Come Superman resides on this Earth, Red Son Superman on this one, and so on - but they came around when the multiverse was not in existence.
I think it's a problem.

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Well the Lightening Saga, makes Pre-crisis Legion stories canon as well

True...

I just thought it was interesting when I not only stumbled upon the actual comic/page, from which one of the 'fragments' of Hypertime we saw in "The Kingdom", came from -- but that comic just happened to be pre-crisis in nature.

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True...

I just thought it was interesting when I not only stumbled upon the actual comic/page, from which one of the 'fragments' of Hypertime we saw in "The Kingdom", came from -- but that comic just happened to be pre-crisis in nature.

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You didn't think it was interesting that you knew the image appeared in the picture of Hypertime . . . way down in the corner . . . partially cut off . . .

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You didn't think it was interesting that you knew the image appeared in the picture of Hypertime . . . way down in the corner . . . partially cut off . . .

Interesting? I doubt it.

Nerdy as hell? Absolutely. geek

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Case in point: Quit out-nerding us.

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Originally posted by Juntai
Case in point: Quit out-nerding us.

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