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Does flight speed equal combat speed

Me and a friend of mine has been talking about this for a while and I just wanted to know what you all think. Sometime I get a little confused with this, I say that surfer dont have combat speed and someone put up a post of him flying across the universe at tremendous speed.

Does flight speed equal combat?

What do you all think?


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Re: Does flight speed equal combat speed

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Does flight speed equal combat?


No


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no.

the ability to move at tremendous speeds in a straight line, does not mean that same character can move at tremendous speeds whilst actively fighting an opponent.

probably the wrong forum.


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a good comparison would be to compare silver surfers flight speed with his combat speed

SS
flight speed : good
Combat speed : horrible

Flash
movement speed: good
combat speed : best


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depends on the character, because combat speed is a function of reaction speeds.

Surfer has reaction speeds beyond anyone (including Flash). therefore, combat speed should be there.


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See combat speed has a lot to do with how fast one can move thier hands and legs. The surfer doesn't use his legs to move. He pushes along on his board. Superman, flies far faster than his legs run. Flash can actually run faster than superman can fly. thus flash has the fastest combat speed in DC.


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depends on the character, because combat speed is a function of reaction speeds.

Surfer has reaction speeds beyond anyone (including Flash). therefore, combat speed should be there.


Flash Beat instantaneous travel. You can't react faster than that. unless you are a precog.

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So answer this, is it possible for someone to make short burst of light speed flight but is unable to fully fly light speed (I know theres another way to ask this).

Is it possible for a character to be able to have faster then light combat speed but theyre unable to fly faster then light.


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nonsensical 'feat'.
instantaneous clearly isn't instantaneous, if someone can travel distances within that timeframe smile.


Surfer mapped galaxies and star systems whilst flying at many multiples of C. he dodges asteroid showers whilst travelling at multiples of C.

he also does have some pre-cog, if that helps smile.


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nonsensical 'feat'.
instantaneous clearly isn't instantaneous, if someone can travel distances within that timeframe smile.
it's no more 'nonsensical' than multiple levels of omnipotence. it's comics dude.


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nonsensical 'feat'.
instantaneous clearly isn't instantaneous, if someone can travel distances within that timeframe smile.


Surfer mapped galaxies and star systems whilst flying at many multiples of C. he dodges asteroid showers whilst travelling at multiples of C.

he also does have some pre-cog, if that helps smile.

basically Flash moved faster than Teleportation which is being in two places at once. Flash did it. You dismiss it because you don't like it.

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Yeah, I think their not related kinda like Iron Man. He can reach fast speeds while flying but I don't think he can punch and kick that fast.


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nonsensical 'feat'.

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it's no more 'nonsensical' than multiple levels of omnipotence. it's comics dude.

oh, but then... Surfer travels at FTL speeds in "straight-lines" only?


my point was that the feat was hyperbole. it wasn't instantaneous, it was faster than teleportation. I think there's a Surfer scan where he does just that too.


Surfer's reaction speeds are far beyond C speeds, his flight requires that he be capable of such reaction speeds, or else he'd be long dead or constantly smashing through planets because he got bounced by an asteroid or a passing Celestial...


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janus, you go by comic showings of the character, and surfer has had many many horrible showings of combat reaction speed, while having good showings of high traveling speed.


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what are his "horrible" showings of reaction speed?
anyone of them remotely PIS/CIS free?

the character is designed to scout the universe, to chart the stars (literally) and is so fast that he can travel in time.

you can bring up Black Panther, bricks et al, the fact remains PIS/CIS if PIS/CIS.


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quote: (post)
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oh, but then... Surfer travels at FTL speeds in "straight-lines" only?


my point was that the feat was hyperbole. it wasn't instantaneous, it was faster than teleportation. I think there's a Surfer scan where he does just that too.


Surfer's reaction speeds are far beyond C speeds, his flight requires that he be capable of such reaction speeds, or else he'd be long dead or constantly smashing through planets because he got bounced by an asteroid or a passing Celestial...

If you have a long enough range of vision, or cosmic senses, you would know when to alter your course. Which is not at all the same as something suddenly appearing in front of you and you reacting to it.

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Flash has moved so fast, he was able to simultaniously exist on two different teams. no expression

Give the man his ****ing due. erm


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Flash has moved so fast, he was able to simultaniously exist on two different teams. no expression

Give the man his ****ing due. erm



I know this doesn't have relevance here, but about being fast...two words..

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If you have a long enough range of vision, or cosmic senses, you would know when to alter your course. Which is not at all the same as something suddenly appearing in front of you and you reacting to it.

we're talking moving objects crossing his path when he's already at many multiples of C (which he achieves near enough instantaneously).

regardless of how long your depth of vision is, you still have to process all the information whilst travelling at >>> C, because your course changes when you navigate the obstacles - seeing new obstacles that were obscured initially.


Surfer's also scanned the whole planet in the time it took Strange to complete a sentence. attacked cities around the Earth in a few panels...

Surfer's reaction speeds are pretty uber.


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