1. The hierarchy is based on martial arts skill in armed or unarmed close combat. The operative word is skill. This does not mean someone in a lower tier cannot compete or even defeat a character in a higher tier, but considerations should only be made towards showings of skill in their appearances.
2. PIS and CIP should not be taken into consideration. CIS (i.e. characters that are intended to be highly skilled but are never depicted to that extent because of the character's inherent stupidity), may be considered depending on the character, but will be dealt with on an individual basis.
3. The tiers are defined by who is in them. There will necessarily be "low" and "high" characters within a tier, but the idea is to place a character as close to their peers as possible.
~The Top Tier~
1. The Top Tier distinguishes those who can claim title to being among "The Greatest Martial Artists" on their respective Earth, and as such is limited in number.
2. The Top Tier are characters above ~90th percentile of the total hierarchy top tier and under, i.e. Martial Artists of skill equal to or greater than 90% of their peers.
3. There are currently 18 Top Tier slots divided as follows: Marvel (8), DC (8), Independent/Other (2). This is subject to change as the list grows.
~Proposing and Making Changes~
1. Discussion should take place before a change is made. Any proposed change should have the support of at least 2-3 people before any change is made.
2. Changes will be made based on the consensus i.e. a majority vote. Anyone can propose a change and make a case for it - however once the case is made then leave the outcome to the vote. If you can't get support for a proposed change, let it drop unless new material arises to make a new case.
3. The above also applies to new additions to the rankings.
4. If you are casting a vote or proposing a change, please explicitly state as such, so that no one has to guess your intentions.
Starfire should be on the same level as Donna Troy, and personally I'd put them both at Master. They both have extremely martial backgrounds and would spar on good terms (with Kory having the slight edge in their Titan days even).
Wonder Woman should be top, she spars with both Batman and Black Canary, who speak very highly of her skill.
Zealot, she's the best of her world (and, like, 3,000 years old) and IMO top tier as well.
Constantine Drakon I'd bump down one level to second tier- he relies a lot on his superhuman speed. He overpowered his best foes more than outfought them. He's very good but in his appearances it looked like his physical attributes was the big tipping factor.
Shiva's fine. If you bumped her, you'd have to bump Cass, Dragon, probably Elektra... quite a few on that tier are her equals, and some are arguably a bit better.
In comics, skill in the Martial Artists allow a character to preform feats that would otherwise be outside the parameters of their attributes. That is a comic book staple. So I guess I need to ask, what has Thanos or Captain Mar-Vell, ever done skill-wise that affords them such high places on this list? Have either of them ever fought anyone completely out of their league and only manged to hold them off or damage them because of their skills as fighters? I don't think they have. Obviously, they have a much higher powerset than someone like Batman, but relative to there respective attributes, have either of them ever done anything half as impressive as Batman's best feats of skill? Thanos is on this list because he trained Gamora largely off panel (and don't even get me started on her position on this list)... is that really all that needs to have done to secure a position in the Uber Tier?
Thanos, Captain Mar-Vell, Adam Warlock and Gamora should all be lowered.
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Could people be a bit more explicit about their proposed changes, i.e. instead of saying someone should be higher or lower, state where you think they should be.
I've only noted the explicit proposals in the proposed changes below for now.
(Also it should be noted, while I compiled this hierarchy, the characters are not where "I put them" but rather where they were placed by the consensus opinion.)
I don't remember the argumentation behind Thanos et al. being placed at their positions. But I do somewhat concur with srank.
Proposed Additions
Darkseid to second tier: 1 [Gecko4lif] /
I'm against Blade and Midnighter moving up. Minighter was completely destroyed by a peak human with Jujutsu training when his enhancements were turned off, and Blade has been similarly embraced in swordsmanship.
I'm also against Drakon being switched with Diana, especially when the argument is that Drakon's speed is offsetting his skill. Seriously? More so than Wonder Woman's speed or strength? Seriously?
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higher than Ironfist? Lol GTFO, be gald she's in the same league as him, if there was a rating between Greatest and Unearthly he would be in it. She wouldn't as he is the highest in that Greatest catagory.
Also, to the OP, what puts Daredevil a whole tier above Black Panther (T'challa - whos been trained since birth)? Captain America isnt even a whole tier above him , they are very much considered combat piers. Whats the reasoning please?
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