What is preventing Surfer from being a trans tier character??? Started by: carver9
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carver9
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What is preventing Surfer from being a trans tier character???
The question speaks for itself. Lets say if Surfer wasn't a pacifist...would he move up a tier?.
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Apr 11th, 2014 05:24 PM
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No, because we see how he performs against true Trans Tiers. He loses.
He's an elite High Herald and there's no shame in that.
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Apr 11th, 2014 05:25 PM
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His combat feats of course. When was the last time he beat an actual high herald in direct combat and no suckering BRB doesn't counts.
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Apr 11th, 2014 05:33 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by abhilegend
His combat feats of course. When was the last time he beat an actual high herald in direct combat and no suckering BRB doesn't counts.
This^
Surfer is so not cool anymore. The last thing I ever remember him being cool about was remaking Storm Breaker and reviving BRB.
Apr 11th, 2014 05:36 PM
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Thor, Thor is preventing him from moving up
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Apr 11th, 2014 05:41 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor, Thor is preventing him from moving up
That goddamn hippie and his accursed hammer!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Apr 11th, 2014 05:46 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by abhilegend
His combat feats of course. When was the last time he beat an actual high herald in direct combat and no suckering BRB doesn't counts.
Yea, I agree. He has bouts of looking trans-ish, but then faced with high heralds his performance hasn't really changed much.
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Apr 11th, 2014 05:47 PM
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I'd say getting mugged and hog tied by a mariachi band drops him a few steps. But hey, that's just me.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I'd say getting mugged and hog tied by a mariachi band drops him a few steps. But hey, that's just me.
Apr 11th, 2014 06:15 PM
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If he wasn't a pacifist, used speed and reflexes more, used more exotic powers instead of plain blasts, then he would be easily trans
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Apr 11th, 2014 11:34 PM
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Has Thanos ever dropped like a stone after getting knocked out of his chair?
'Nuff said.
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Apr 12th, 2014 01:09 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Time Immemorial
This^
Surfer is so not cool anymore. The last thing I ever remember him being cool about was remaking Storm Breaker and reviving BRB.
Spider-Man could do that, too
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by psycho gundam
Spider-Man could do that, too
How?
Apr 12th, 2014 06:40 AM
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Look through Trans. and it's hard to find many wins for Surfer. I get that some want to see the best in him while simultaneously taking only average or lowball showings from others. But if we're equally fair to both sides, there aren't many wins waiting for him on the other side of that tier line. And frankly, even non-CIS, non-PIS, bloodlust, no holds barred, whatever-else-you-can-think-of Surfer would get wrecked by the majority of Trans.
I'll concede a couple. Matchup problems + the bottom 3-4 in Trans., and there's a good case to be made for a few good matches. But really, he's just kinda where he belongs...at the top of the HH tier, along with the other stalwarts of HH like Kal and Thor.
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Apr 12th, 2014 06:46 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Digi
Look through Trans. and it's hard to find many wins for Surfer. I get that some want to see the best in him while simultaneously taking only average or lowball showings from others. But if we're equally fair to both sides, there aren't many wins waiting for him on the other side of that tier line. And frankly, even non-CIS, non-PIS, bloodlust, no holds barred, whatever-else-you-can-think-of Surfer would get wrecked by the majority of Trans.
I'll concede a couple. Matchup problems + the bottom 3-4 in Trans., and there's a good case to be made for a few good matches. But really, he's just kinda where he belongs...at the top of the HH tier, along with the other stalwarts of HH like Kal and Thor.
actually skyfathers can't beat a no holds barred Surfer. Surfer has Ftl speed and reflexes. He can phase through any attacks or just avoid them with speed. He has black hole blasts that will outright kill any average Trans instantly.
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Apr 12th, 2014 07:02 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by h1a8
actually skyfathers can't beat a no holds barred Surfer. Surfer has Ftl speed and reflexes. He can phase through any attacks or just avoid them with speed. He has black hole blasts that will outright kill any average Trans instantly.
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Apr 12th, 2014 07:31 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by h1a8
actually skyfathers can't beat a no holds barred Surfer. Surfer has Ftl speed and reflexes. He can phase through any attacks or just avoid them with speed. He has black hole blasts that will outright kill any average Trans instantly.
Not sure if you're joking or not.
I'm familiar with his abilities. But my point stands. The majority of Trans. wrecks him, especially if we grant everyone absurdly specific use of their best powers like you just did.
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Apr 12th, 2014 07:33 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by h1a8
actually skyfathers can't beat a no holds barred Surfer.
ElOhEl. Skyfathers are capable of giving Galactus himself a run for his money. How on earth you think a being whom only wields an insignificant micro-fraction of Galactus' PC(ie. Surfer) could legitimately defeat a Skyfather, truly boggles the mind.
Anywho, most elite herald-class characters have operated well beyond that tier, and preformed Trans-level, or Skyfather, or even Abstract-esque feats, on multiple occasions. Surfer is certainly not 'special' in that regard. That's why high-end feats alone aren't the sole method in which a character is gauged.
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Apr 12th, 2014 07:39 AM
abhilegend
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Ignore h1. I'm sure skyfathers have encountered Surfer. How did his fight with Odin or Gaea went BTW?
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