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Phoenix Respect Thread Remastered. (V. 20)
I feel the Phoenix Respect thread should be redone, since the other was filled with unwanted spam. Special warm thanks goes to Galaticstorm (Original Respect Thread) and Aza Chorn (contribution to Giraud respect thread).
I suppose we shall cover one avatar or character at a time.
But most certainly it will follow this order
Jean
616 Feats
What If
Rachael
616 Feats
What If
Giruad
Respect the Phoenix
Other
The Phoenix Power Set.
Control matter on an atomic level.
Energy manipulator.
Tap into vast energies, denying life for future generations
Manipulate Time
Manipulate Reality
Revive Characters
Controls its own cosmic energy
Vast levels of Telepathy
Telekinetic Godhood
Senses are expanded down to its components (thanks to Telekinetic Godhood)
A certain level of Omniscience, thanks to the Phoenix memories.
As far as collateral damage, we have seen the Phoenix do;
Atomizing an individual
City wide destruction
Planetary destruction.
Solar System Destruction
Galaxy Destruction
Universal Destruction
Its best feat.
Total atomic control of the Universe, through Telekinesis (in the White Hot Room Only).
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What is the Phoenix Force?
Apparently its an multiversal entity, that resides within the M’Kraan crystal (nexus of realities).
Within it, is the “White Hot Room” which Phoenix Avatars can enter and do “Phoenix Work”.
Multiversal you say?
Yes the Force is multi-versal, the force manifest itself across countless realities in efforts to find a suitable host. And ultimately perform “Phoenix Work”.
Phoenix Work, what is it?
Well it’s a number of things, intervening potential threat (it could range from planetary to universal), or anything that might stop the progression of evolution. But ultimately it comes down to incite the cycle of death/rebirth of the universe itself.
So each avatar holds the power of a Multiverse?
No, not exactly. Though they become the host of a manifest Multiversal Entity. Their range of authority, control does not exceed its universes level (within its designated reality). You see each PF Avatar authority does not carry, over from ware the Phoenix originally manifested on. However, we have seen instances where it held control over two realities (616 and 15104), Save the universe from destruction (incidentally retconed to Multiverse), and usurp control of other Phoenix Avatars (Recent What If).
Can the Phoenix Force be killed?
Yes and No. Yes you can kill the avatar and apparently the Manifested Force itself, but the Phoenix Force would just resurrected itself (and a good chance the Avatar would resurrect as well, if the Force chooses to). However its my own theory that in order to permanently kill the Manifestation. You would have to kill the Phoenix Force entity that resides in the White Hot Room. A hard task, because the White Hot Room exists outside the Multiverse. And attempting to breach in, would mean engaging the M’Kraan Crystal Guardians, Nightmare Field, and the countless Avatars residing in the room of creation.
So ware would she be in a match?
That’s a tricky question. One minute a planetary stroke subdues her by the hands of Xorn, next minute the Phoenix is seen wiping out Solar System with Cosmic Level beings. The Phoenix Rage or confrontation could escalate to universal destruction.
Her power finite or limitless?
Good question, it seems that outside the White Hot Room. The Phoenix has a finite amount (limit) of power/energy. This is why we have several instances of her draining energy from viable sources. However it is later stated, and confirmed that if she wishes. She could tap energy from future generations and deny them existence (Galactus - Excalibur volume 1 issue #61).
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Dark Phoenix Continued. Uncanny X-Men 129-137](please log in to view the image)
After Phoenix is done toying with the X-Men. She takes flight to the cosmos.
This is the first and only time they get a reading on the Dark Phoenix power level. Mr. Fantastic reading indicate its energy level is on par with Galactus.
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In the mist of interstellar flight. She creates her own “Stargate”. And proceeds to consume a Sun neighboring a planet.
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Phoenix consumes the Sun energy, the consequence of this. Is the Sun going Supernova, destroying the neighboring planet. As you can clearly see, Phoenix was in the dead center of the Supernova.
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Shi’Ar Imperial Battle Cruiser (not your average, space ship) picks up on the situation. And proceeds to engage.
Phoenix makes short work of them.
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This scan shows to prove that The, Shi’Ar ship she destroyed was top of the line.
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When she comes, back she shows of molecular readjustment. Turns the plant into crystals. Moments later she gets a psi inhibiter planted in her. And a Rematch with the X-Men, Jean is handicapped.
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Well Phoenix kicked the X-Mens ass, overloading the psi inhibiter. She is about to snap back into her senses, when Xavier intervenes and another Psi battle commences.
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Note: yes Xavier succeeds…“With” Jeans help. Jean is already a Telepath of the first order, and was previously seen making short work of another respectable Telepath (Emma Frost). Do you really think Xavier could have pulled it off alone?
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New X-Men 141
Telekinetically fuses molecules back together of Miss Dear Emma Frost.
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Jean attempts to explain what it means to wield the Phoenix. You have to keep in mind, that avatars are limited to how much self awareness they have over the Force. The greater the self awareness, the grander scale they can wield the Force. Interesting comment from logan is that, Jean could make her own universe and set it strait. However (and I agree to this), Phoenix is not about bending reality or creating one to its mind set, even if its within her power set.
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And this is how Logan decides to ease Jean death..but ends up liberating the Force through death.
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Ah the dreaded issue where Xorn kills the Phoenix (supposedly). Anyhow Jean comments she build a ship by manipulating energy on a molecular level. This is using the sun energy to power, the left over scraps of the asteroid (now molded into space craft). Jean last comment is she has no clue, how long the Phoenix will permit her to live.
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Note Issue 150, ends with 150 years into the direct future of 616 continuality. Remember, the Phoenix lives to perform a task. And as it has bin previously established, willingly it can exist outside time and space manipulate time and affirm a certain level of precognition. I could interpret the significance of why Xorn managed “Kill” Jean, even though Jean has withstood worse. However, I will just let you draw your own conclusion with the given evidence, back history and material to back track.
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Interesting reference, Jean/Phoenix makes reference to Here Comes Tomorrow, in X-Men Phoenix End Song #5.
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In New X-Men #151-154.
Sublime seeks to void the world of genetic evolution. And accomplish these goals, with the help of the Phoenix.
Jean Atomizes an entire civilization.
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Previously we see Hank, inject itself with Phoenix blood, and grant himself telekinetic Godhood. His senses have expanded, matter control to his slightest whim, able to turn of X gene etc..Yet Jean had no problem bypassing those abilities, and extract Sublime from Hank.
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Big Power I says
But that’s not all. Jean decides to amputate the alternate universe, diverged from the 616 time line. She not only holds the universe in the palm of her hands, but can Telekinetically control it.
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The significance of this feat is impressive. It goes to show that when you have total control of the universe. You not only control, present events but the timelines itself and apply an event adjustment.
Interesting Reference - Jeans actions sets 616 course in a different path so “Here Comes Tomorrow” (Reality 15104) never takes place (it becomes instead a distinct parallel reality, breached from 616 reality).
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What If, Volume 2 #32 & 33.
What If, Volume 2 #32 “What if Phoenix Hadn’t Died” part 1.
The subplot is the same, as the original what if. But the retcon is applied
Note Retcons:
Phoenix is a separate cosmic entity, and Jean is just a mutant.
The Phoenix made a cacoon, to make save Jean. And took a portion of Jeans soul, and with it made an identical shell of it to live as a human.
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What If Volume 2 #33 What if Phoenix Hadn’t Died” part 2.
In short, Shadow King in control of Mastermind, got a hold of Rachael and killed Jean. This was so, Rachael could inherit the Phoenix Force. He did succeed, however this Jean was just an animated shell with a portion of Jeans Soul. And the Phoenix Force can not die, so it resurrects inhabiting the force.
Rachael vs. Jean
There is a decent showings here: it shows that that Phoenix can accelerate or decelerate the aging process.
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And here she takes on the Sentinels with the help of the X-Men (For some reason, this fight cries out PIS).
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The Sentinels Mock the Phoenix for not having the power to destroy them. He response: So I just use yours.
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Note: The power scrambler that worked on all super powered heroes (and villans), did not work on the Phoenix.
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Rachael Summer Grey
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Well what can I say about my girl Rachael. In her run with Excalibur we find out that phoenix do in fact wield the power to end cosmos (Statement from Galactus, not challenged by Death, The Watcher, or Roma Excalibur #25). This is later restated in Excalibur volume 1 issue 50, during the fight with Necrom. However you must keep in mind, having the power and wielding it are two completely different aspects. And an being an avatar is not an easy job. You hold much burden on your soldiers. You hold eons of knowledge thanks to the memories of the Phoenix. Various universal laws, and rules that are hard to grasp by mere mortals (referring to Master Mind). Incalculable power, that no mortal is meant to handle regardless of how prepared you think your are (referring to Necrom).
We also find out that there is a learning curve, to grasping the Phoenix Force. This is demonstrated by how Rachael begins from having trouble with dealing with Thor level being - to Obliterating Solar System in the wake of her match against established cosmic characters.
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In Excalibur 25 (volume 1). We see Rachael handle Nove (herald of Galactus)…twice. Knocks her, strait to the moon.
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Pissed off, Nova attempts to return the favor. Only to have Rachael fling her back to Galactus.
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However, Rachael agrees to go forth with Galactus plan to separate her from the Phoenix Force.
She states the encounter is not worth, the potential destruction of earth.
However Galactus arrogance, proves to be costly. You see separating the PF from its Avatar will cost the universe itself. Ending all life through out the universe, by the dieing star (the PF is directly tied in, with the Stars). Even Galactus would place itself in danger. It took the combination of Roma, The Watcher, and Death to talk some sense into him.
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This goes to show, that Phoenix is a cosmic entity that is just as fundamental as Galactus. However this is just one aspect of the importance of the Phoenix.
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What If “Rise and Fall of the Shi’ar Empire”
When Vulcan unexpectedly enters the M’Kran Crystal. He falls into the nightmare field…however he seemingly ascended to the White Hot Room. This is because he becomes the new “Phoenix Force Avatar”. The other Avatars are not content with this happening, and deem Vulcan unfit to be next Avatar. However Gabriel disagrees, and proceeds to seemingly take his powers and kill him (along with the others).
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He obliterates all opposition, the Shi’ar Empire is destroyed in a single strike..you even see planets shatter at the manifested rage from Vulcan. Only Racheal and Havoc survive because they escape through teleportation. They are not sure who or what caused a stargate to seemingly open. They think it was the Phoenix.
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Vulcan destroyed 1/3 of the annihilation wave along with Annihiuls himself. Nova pleads Ronan to escape. However again, Vulcan destroys the Kree Empire. And The Watchers comment, that the Phoenix “Consumed” a galaxy, it was the 7th galaxy to fall.
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Vulcan engages the X-Men. The match takes place in the island, it was frozen and destroyed to pieces. However it is now alive, and intact. Apparently wielding the PF holds no real limits to what it can do.
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However, he is loosing control. This is because the Phoenix (Jean Grey) is holding back its power.
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Rachael warns Gabriel (thanks to the mind link), that the Phoenix Force reacts poorly to negative emotions. The consequences of losing total control will not only consume himself but the entire “Reality”.
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Finally letting go of rage, and hate. He proceeds to halt his rampage, and except his death.
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All the not so cryptic talk, and cryptic actions are revealed. Its none other then Jean Grey.
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Comments: I have to admit I had my doubts, on how Vulcan would wield the PF. Or what kind of PF showings we would see. But just wow, lots of high end collateral damage if your into big fancy destruction. - Id
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