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The Draft

I don't know if anyone's heard about this, but here in America the government is considering bringing back the draft. This time to include women as well as men.

I'm curious as to what other's feel about this. I know this is an touchy subject, but I'd like to at least give it a try. So everyone, lets try to keep it as civil as possible.

So, what does everyone think about this?

My personally opinion is this - I think the draft would be a huge mistake. Not just because I would be a prime target for it, but because if you're going to send people to war, doesn't it make sense that you only send people who actually care about the cause. As it is right now, you know the people who are over fighting in Iraq are doing so because they chose too. It was there decision. I dunno about everyone else, but if I was over there, I wouldn't want someone who was drafted fighting next to me because they will most likely do a half assed job compared to someone who wants to be over there.

Also, I think the Draft is very hypocritical to the US constitution. Being forced to go over and risk our lives in another country is NOT freedom. It's the exact oposite. It's almost a form of slavery in my opinion. Being forced to do something for low wages (and possibly die because of it) even if you are against the actual cause. It just doesn't seem right to me.

Anywho, discuss.


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i think i would go against everything that this country stands for and all those battles fought by women and men for equal rights and freedom of choice would be for nothing


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I agree... The draft is just lame. If they do reintroduce it, I'm going to jail rather than joining the military.


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It will never happen. The Military doesn't want it. It'll never get pass the House.
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The Draft
The issue of the draft is an interesting one. Some people think we need a draft, some people fear it may happen. Personally, I’m against the draft, but I believe there will be no need for that fear since it will never happen. Our country learned what happened during the Vietnam War. The chances of the draft returning are slim. Right now, there is no need for it to happen. However, I can see some reasons for it to happen.
First off, our army is made of up volunteers. Our armies are only as strong if we have people joining it and the amount of training. If people stop joining or reenlisting, our army is weakened. Though we have the most advance equipment in the world, our tanks, jets, and guns can’t be used if no one is available to operate them. Since the war in Iraq, the amount of people joining or rejoining has decreased. After you’ve been in Iraq, do you really want to go back? Our troops are spread throughout the world the world. We may not have enough troops if there is some military emergency. A draft may help deal with those problems.
Despite that, there are many reasons why there shouldn’t be a draft. First off, a soldier who is drafted would be less trained than a normal soldier, lack the motivation required and be more likely to be killed. What good is a soldier is he’s dead? If a large amount of drafted soldiers are sent to war, there would be a high death rate. More soldiers would need to be draft to replace those killed, creating more death and ect. Our army is good because our soldiers go through extensive training. Drafted solders don’t have that training.
Popular support for the draft is small. No one wants to be forced to fight in a war and possibly get killed. People should not be forced to fight in they don’t want to. The real reason it won’t pass is because the Congressmen are too afraid they may loose support if they pass a draft bill. Because of that, a draft will never happen. Not even the military wants a draft. They don’t want to deal with non-motivated ‘soldiers’.


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Also If Bush Re-introduces the draft his ratings would plummet so far people in China would feel it.
He would NEVER get re-elected and thats his #1 priority rite now.


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The draft is abominable - of COURSE it is not to do with freedom it is proof of living under an absolute dictatorship. Furthermore the way they've done it picking on men only is disturbing. There is no reason for this in terms of their usefulness as cannon fodder roll eyes (sarcastic)


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I think the draft should only be used when needed say after all the people who DO want to fight are killed and we need more people. But I also disagree with it. WHY should people who dont want to figh,t fight? just because the president wants to go to war....why should he make others fight who dont want to..I mean send him as well...if he wants war let him fight it.

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Originally posted by Tptmanno1
Also If Bush Re-introduces the draft his ratings would plummet so far people in China would feel it.
He would NEVER get re-elected and thats his #1 priority rite now.


touchy subject this is....but I tend to agree with Tptmanno1


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rather bad thing to do, as said: why draw people into a war or "liberation" when perhaps 75% doesn't want it?
very unpopular rule indeed

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Originally posted by Raven Guardia
I think the draft should only be used when needed say after all the people who DO want to fight are killed and we need more people. But I also disagree with it. WHY should people who dont want to figh,t fight? just because the president wants to go to war....why should he make others fight who dont want to..I mean send him as well...if he wants war let him fight it.


So you're saying it should be reintroduced as a last resort?

When we run out of human ammunition, it should be used to fill the gaps in the front line? Little bit morbid hun..........

But I see your point about forced confrontation. I would hate to think my life is in the hands of a team member who doesn't want to be there, kinda worrying.


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I don't know if anyone's heard about this, but here in America the government is considering bringing back the draft. This time to include women as well as men.
We have a mandatory military service here in Norway, dont need women in there though. From experiense in the military I can say they aint suited to be there

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Originally posted by Tptmanno1
Also If Bush Re-introduces the draft his ratings would plummet so far people in China would feel it.
He would NEVER get re-elected and thats his #1 priority rite now.


Bush legally can't. COngress has to approve it first and that will never happen. Most of the contry is against it and if a congressmen votes for it, they won't be re-elected next term. There will be no draft. Don't worry. It will never happen/.


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I hope you get a draft over there

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Why do we need it? I don't see any threat in the next 50 years, other than China. By then we'll have a robot army, and no one could touch us. But if we have a robot army, then...*coughthematrixcough*


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you dont see any threats? what the hell happen on 11/9 then

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terrorism. There are not major, superpower theats, like during ww2 or the cold war. Our military can handle a simple terrorist country pretty fast. Aghan and Iraq only lasted a few weeks, before they fell.


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terrorism. There are not major, superpower theats, like during ww2 or the cold war. Our military can handle a simple terrorist country pretty fast. Aghan and Iraq only lasted a few weeks, before they fell.
yeah thats the kind of attitude that will get you a rude awakening, still both Afghanistan and Iraq was a joint venture and not US army alone. And yeah they do a marvelous job in catching Osama Bin Laden too

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A rude awakening? I think 11/9 constitutes as that, and they're still standing........


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There will be more to happen in the states, I hope it wont but it will

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The days in which the draft is useful for the kind of uses the US makes of its military are over- they ended quite some while ago. A citizen army no longer cuts it- the military 'teeth' have diminished whilst the 'tail' gorws longer.

Re-introducing the draft in the States would be more of a social measure, I think- a statement by the rulers of the way they want things done.

If this is seriously being considered, this is where Bush's relatively moderate Republicanism shows signs of veering back to the right. It's not on, not any more. But is it really being seriously considered?


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