I'm giving all three to Revan, he's a big unknown. But Ulic hasn't done much more then he has, actually he's done less. he stalematted Exar for a small time in a fight and defeated Mandalore, what Revan has done is more impressive and he's seen more action.
I see the same thing happening. In lightsaber combat precog hands the victory to Revan. In force battle, I assume Revan is the superior since Ulic hasn't even shown the ability to use force lightning. In Echani combat... I dont know but it's likely Revan defeated Yusanis in Echani combat, although I am not too sure.
Precognition doesn't make him invincible, you know. It certainly didn't keep him from realizing that Malak would WTFpwn his ass with a starship. And when has Revan even shown the ability to use Force lightning? We know absolutely nothing of his powers, and that is why he can't be used in these threads. He's a complete unknown.
I don't know about the other two matches, but I'd be prepared to hand the lightsaber duel to Ulic. He defeated a Basilisk-riding Mandalore while having to balance himself on chains, and was unable to touch solid ground. He met Basilisk blaster-fire head-on. Ulic is amazing in saber combat; what has Revan done to merit his status?
Revan used force storm against the Rakatan's when he was searching for the Star Forge. The Rakaan's described it as magic summoning lightning from the sky.
In lightsaber combat how can you say Revan is weaker? He has the benefit of precognition, thus foreseeing Ulic's attacks before Ulic even makes them. Revan was described by Briana in KOTOR 2 as having the ability in battle precog that even Echani seers did not have. He defeated Mandalore in combat too. Yusanis tried to fight him in Echani combat, but Revan beat him in his own game. Revan also defeated Malak in what was described as "an epic lightsaber duel," where Malak was being strengthened by the Star Forge.
No he didn't; it was described as lightning from the sky, which could have been blaster-fire.
zOMG! Precognition! Again; you gravely overestimate the use of this ability. It may allow him to draw out the fight, but I see nothing to suggest that he has enough ability on his own to take out Ulic, although it's presumably a possibility.
He defeated Mandalore, but not while having to run around on top of chains and trying to knock Mandalore out of a Basilisk.
And where's the proof that Revan defeated Yusanis in Echani combat? You were just musing about how that was ''likely,'' but there's nothing supporting it.
Ulic stalemated Exar Kun; now, this wasn't Kun at his peak, but he'd already eradicated the spirit of Freedon Nadd, and blown apart temple walls and Sadow's Sith Wyrm.
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Blaster fire fromt the sky. How on earth would that happen? The Rakatan temple prevented all ships from entering its atmosphere, Revan would have no way to call his ships.
I think you meant overestimate, but I know what you mean. However it is still a valid point. Revan was gifted with precognition, an undoubted advantage that Ulic does not possess. How is being able to see your opponent's melee attacks before they make it not give Revan a huge advantage over Ulic.
The battle against Mandalore was an unkown. We have no idea, Mandalore could have gone all liquid snake and get inside a building sized robot. Or Mandalore would have dueled Revan with a simple vibrosword(unlikely, the position of Mandalore would not have been granted to an idiot who would do this). Most likely Mandalore had some surprises for Revan.
Kreia and handmaiden explain how Yusanis was killed. Also if you read the description for "Yusanis" brand, I am hundred percent sure that it says yusanis fell in hand to hand combat against "the Dark Lord".
Eradicated Freedon Nadd, temple walls, and Sadow's Sith Wyrm with a lightsaber? Kun still wasn't at his peak in lightsaber combat.
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Revan is a big unknown until KOTOR III but I would give it to him based on what we see from him in KOTOR and based on what we do or do not see from Ulic in Sith Wars.
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Because he's DAMN good as a duellist, and has a lot more experience in personal combat, stalemating the mighty Exar Kun. Revan has beat... Malak. In under questionable circumstances.
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I didn't know you can call being powered by the star forge as a questionable circumstance. Wesker you seem to love The Sith War characters almost as much as IKC. Ulic stalemated a Kun who hasn't even developed his double light saber and his new saber style, so that doesn't say much about his abilities. He's known to be great at light saber combat but you can't say Revan is anywhere below him. In fact, defeating an already powerful Malak, who is being powered by the SF, is more impressive than defeating Kun who hasn't developed his new light saber/technique.
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Actually, there's nothing at all showing Malak being powered by the Star Forge itself. Certainly nothing to indicate just how much his power grew or how much it was. The CG scene where he nyxes two jedis could be duplicated by Count Dooku. And at tops, he's a thirty year old Sith lord, so I doubt his mastery is complete. Secondly, the battle was described by others in KotOR II as "epic", and epic implies a LOT of time was needed. We don't know if it was all lightsaber use, force user, both, or even trickery. Could be anything. It's an UNKNOWN.
Forgive me for relying more on tangible, emprical evidence like IKC, but if that makes me a TOTJ fanboy, that's ridiculous. Fanboys don't use evidence and logic, tdtd. Ulic is clearly one hell of a swordsman and fighter. Revan is at best able to beat nonforce sensitives that Ulic would slaughter and contend with and beat Malak. Woot. What a sabergod.
I am not denying that Ulic is a good duelist. I am saying Revan is a better duelist. Kun was not too powerful in lightsaber combat at the time. Revan defeated Malak who was at his peak (not to mention powered by the star forge).
I mean that Kun was not at the peak of his abilities. He still hasn't developed the double bladed lightsaber that earned him such repute. We don't know how good really Kun was at the time in lightsaber dueling.
Malak was powered by the Star Forge. There is a lot of proof towards this. Firstly Bastila was struck down thrice and only in the fourth battle did Revan convince her to turn from the dark side. She was being strengthened by the Star Forge (as she explained), and that was why she could keep on coming back. The fact that Bastila and Malak were both Dark Jedi, and they were both on the Star Forge, means they were both being strengthened.
The ancient Rakatan computer in the Rakatan temple stated how the Star Forge's true power was not only creating an indestructible fleet, but also empowering the dark Jedi strong enough to use it. It was a weapon filled with the dark side.
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How? Kun didn't become a "saber God" until he invented his new style and the double light saber, so obviously Kun wasn't at the peak of his saber skills when he fought Ulic.
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