I know how and when this happens, just I'm tired so I'll post tomorrow, but I wanted to make this thread so I wouldn't forget. Post your thoughts for now.
Although I have studied this phenomenon, as I have never been close to death I cannot speak about the phenomenon itself other than to say what is reported.
They say that anyone close to death can rise out of their body spiritually and either look down at themselves and others around the operating table or deathbed.
It is even said that some people who have had an out of body experience like this may have started a journey towards a welcoming light at the end of a tunnel only to be drawn back into their body when the risk of death is removed my the doctors or surgeons.
Either you have to simply believe what these people say - because THEY believe it - or you must try to find scientific reasons behind the phenomenon so as to debunk the suggestions.
I want to say more about this situation but I will shut up now and give others the chance to speak !
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I know what you mean, some claim to be able to reach a higher plain of existence through meditation. While I don't doubt the power of the human mind, I still think that all consciousness must be anchored to a physical body. That is of course, unless I see something that proves otherwise.
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You know how you're lying in bed and your almost asleep but suddenly it feels like your bed has been pulled out from under you and then your falling back but down? it is said that this is the beggining of an out of body experience, and the reason why you snap awake is because you are not use to falling and you become frightened. If you stay calm then the experience may take place, you can wonder around as a spirit.
Scientists have suggested that this phenomenon is brought on by certain chemicals being generated in the brain when we are close to death that create hallucinations that are remembered after the patient is brought back from the brink.
The one that stumps me is where the person, ( quite commonly ), is able to recount seeing things done that are out of sight to them lying on the bed. These reported views are usually from above the bed, ( at ceiling level ), and did in fact take place while the patient was unconscious and near death.
How would the patient near death and unconscious be able to recount such admitted facts, ( by the surgeons or nurses ), when he or she comes round ?
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I would rather NOT do that m!$hA as it means that I would have to risk dying to have that kind of experience.
Where people who are alive and conscious say that they have had an "out-of-body-experience".... I would be very sceptical that they are telling the truth as people can say that they saw this and that here without having - or being able to - prove it.
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I like to admit when I'm wrong - and I was obviously wrong here: I thought you'd be as adamant about this as you are about dreams.
Think about OBE's is that they are quite common and well documented, but (as with dream work where two people claim to have "met up" in some sort of dreamascape) nobody has yet been able to recreate the experience under controlled conditions and, for instance, pop next door while out -of-body and report back on what they see.
In the absence of any clinical evidence it's fair for people to say it's most likely a chemical reaction in the brain, or some sort of lucid dream experience. Were it not for personal experience I'd be saying the same.
I've spent a lot of time on lucid dreaming - going back to when I was bedridden for months with a lung infection and had nothing better to do, and during that time had two very clear and very scary out-of-body episodes that were nothing like dreams, lucid or otherwise. Chemical reaction or hallucination or something "other" I don’t know , but very strange.
Let's just use some of the words above shall we.....
Chemical reactions: The body is capable of - in certain conditions - manufacturing some of the most powerful and potent chemicals that are possible and if these chemicals are released into the blood-stream a person can experience/feel all kinds of awake and asleep hallucinations.
These experiences are only limited to the power and variance of the person's subconsciousness.
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