Im new to this forum and dont know if this was covered. The name vader means father I belive. I read this in this particular forum. This is my Theory to Vader's name and why the emporer decided to name him with this obvious twisted name.
I had to reply to this becasue I think everyone just dosent see the obvious.
Darth Vader knew he had a child. He didnt know he had twins.
It was never said that he didnt know. If everyone can go back to the empire strikes back as soon as he found out the pilots name was skywalker he began his chase without the emperor. The emporer knew after a vision that the son of skywalker must be killed.
Durring the discussion with vader, If you noticed vader pleaded with the emperor, "He is only a boy." There is where you see he has been searching for him all his life.
Now torwards the end of empire strikes back, Vader again pleads for Luke to join him, "the emperor knows you can destroy him. He has forseen it. Join me! Obi wan never told you what happened to your father."
Another hint signafying that infact he knew that he did have a child. It is no secret that Vader knows that he had a child. What he didnt realize was that he didnt have a twin. In return of the Jedi in the final conflict when Luke faced Vader once again this time trying to draw him to the light side of the force, Vader was looking to use what ever was necessary to bring Luke to his side to destroy the emperor and sensed that Luke was hiding something. A weakness. The fact that he had a sister.... A twin sister.
His words were obvious, "Obi Wan was wise to hide her from me! If you will not turn perhapse she will." He intised him to fight. Using his sister to provoke anger in him.
So all in all the name Vader fits the description. He knows that padme is indeed very pregnant, he just dosent know that he has twins.
Im pretty sure that when he turns to the darkside they take padme away to hide her from him as he becomes an agent of evil and in turn he becomes even more twisted then ever.
So im sure that the name Vader in fact is a way for the emporer to twist him to the darkside even more. By calling him Vader its like a tease that your a father and your friends hid your child from you. A tactic to anger him, to cause him to hate... which in fact leads him to the darkside and keeps him there. Of course until Luke brings him back.
But by loving padme, by having children, and confronting his past by seeing luke he fulfills his destiny as the chosen one.
A promise to his mother he made long ago at her grave, "I promise you I will not be weak next time."
Another point he made was to Padme, "I will be so powerful that I will stop people from dieing."
He looks at his son, then looks at the emporer, then looks again at his son his head tilting a bit showing his emotion as his son is being electricuted by the emporer... VADER..... FATHER.....
Freak yeah... He did what any loving father would do, sacrifice his own life for the life of his child. Love brought him back... The love of his mother, the love of padme, and most importantly the love of his children.
So im sure he was searching all his life as Vader (or Father) for the child. He was just surprised it was two children not one.
One last point to be made...
The emporer named him vader to twist him even more. That is my theory. To name him Vader in honor of his lost child...
If this goes that route I will be one happy fan.
I think this story is the best story ever told on film.
Darth Vader (Dark Father) - Invader - To enter by force in order to conquer or pillage
Darth Sidious - Insidious - Working or spreading harmfully in a subtle or stealthy manner. Intended to entrap; treacherous. Beguiling but harmful; alluring
Darth Maul - Maul - To injure greatly; to do much harm to
Darth Tyranus - Tyrant - A ruler who exercises power in a harsh, cruel manner
Darth Plagueis - Plague - A sudden destructive influx or injurious outbreak
General Grievous - Grievous - Causing grief, pain, or anguish
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heard it was supposed to allude to the words "dark father" in some way, some people state that this is an unconfirmed rumour, i have a feeling i heard it in a documentary or somewhere other than in some post on a forum, but can't really remember now to be honest....
was just about to post the exact same thing as cascador, so i've edited that bit....
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Only, Gl said that it meant "dark warrior". And no Vader didnt know that he had a kid. He thought that he died with Padme. Vader didnt know that Luke was his son until Palps told him....."I have no doubt that the young rebel who destroyed the Deathstar is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."......Vader, "How can that be?"........so he obviously doesnt know until then. Its just a coincedence. At the time GL wrote ANH, Vader and Anakin were gonna be two different people....he writes shit as he goes along, thats part of his...."genius". But its a good theory, just dont think its how it gonna play through.
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Plus, Sidius couldn't have named Vader with a lost child in mind, because Anakin becomes Vader BEFORE he leaves for Mustafar. BEFORE Padme dies, and the fate of the children is decided. Not saying that that' not why GL named him Vader, though.
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Darth Subjekt, I think Vader knew about Luke before the emperor told him...or it is a blooper in the film. Remember at the beginning of the Movie "The Rebels are there and I'm sure Skywalker is with them!"
That sorta prooves he knew that he had a son...I think he figured it out on his own but tries to hide it from the emperor to hide his plans with his son and to protect him.
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Registered: Oct 2004
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But the way they tried to play it off later was that he didnt know. Its kinda like how many people share your last name? Even a smoeone with a rare name shares it with someone else. Im sure theres more Skywalkers in the UNIVERSE than just those three.
if he knew that the one who destroyed the deathstar, who has Force powers as he said in A New Hope, is a Skywalker I think he would have figured it out, it is his son...
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Well, i'm Dutch and in Dutch (indeed it's also what is spoken in Belgium) Vader means father but only in the way you write it, not in the pronounciation.
Not for nothing but Darth Vader knew he had a son. In a New Hope there was no mention of it becasue he wasnt looking at the time.
In Empire strikes back in the scroll text as soon as he found out who the pilot was he immediatly went after Luke without the permission of the emperor. It is very very clear. He was in search of his child even before the emperor told him.
In a new hope he sensed his force powers, then to find out that the pilot that destroyed the dethstar was non other then his son skywalker sent him on an immediate quest.
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Episode V scroll
It is a dark time for the Rebellion. Although the Death Star has been destroyed, Imperial troops have driven the Rebel forces from their hidden base and pursued them across the galaxy.
Evading the dreaded Imperial Starfleet, a group of freedom fighters led by Luke Skywalker has established a new secret base on the remote ice world of Hoth.
The evil lord Darth Vader, obsessed with finding the young Skywalker, has dispatched thousands of remote probes into the far reaches of space....
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Why would he be obsessed with finding young skywalker in the first place unless he actually knew he was his son. Watch the movie again, when the emperor speaks to Vader, he pleas to him that "He is only a boy, Obi Wan can no longer help him."
Trust me he knows that he is his father and that my friends is why he was so obsessed with finding him! It says it right in the scroll.
Mar 16th, 2005 01:52 PM
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