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Humanism/Neo Darwinism and their Manifestos..How have they benefited modern society?

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Taken from http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/humanism.htm


Humanism: Some Thoughts from the Humanist Manifesto I
Humanism was “codified” by 34 of its leaders in 1933. Although many other versions of humanism have appeared before and since, here are some excerpts from the original Humanist Manifesto I:

FIRST: Religious humanists regard the universe as self-existing and not created. SECOND: Humanism believes that man is a part of nature and that he has emerged as a result of a continuous process. THIRD: Holding an organic view of life, humanists find that the traditional dualism of mind and body must be rejected. FOURTH: Humanism recognizes that man's religious culture and civilization, as clearly depicted by anthropology and history, are the product of a gradual development due to his interaction with his natural environment and with his social heritage. The individual born into a particular culture is largely molded by that culture. FIFTH: Humanism asserts that the nature of the universe depicted by modern science makes unacceptable any supernatural or cosmic guarantees of human values. Obviously humanism does not deny the possibility of realities as yet undiscovered, but it does insist that the way to determine the existence and value of any and all realities is by means of intelligent inquiry and by the assessment of their relations to human needs. Religion must formulate its hopes and plans in the light of the scientific spirit and method. EIGHTH: Religious Humanism considers the complete realization of human personality to be the end of man's life and seeks its development and fulfillment in the here and now. This is the explanation of the humanist's social passion. NINTH: In the place of the old attitudes involved in worship and prayer the humanist finds his religious emotions expressed in a heightened sense of personal life and in a cooperative effort to promote social well-being. TENTH: It follows that there will be no uniquely religious emotions and attitudes of the kind hitherto associated with belief in the supernatural. FINAL PARAGRAPH: So stand the theses of religious humanism. Though we consider the religious forms and ideas of our fathers no longer adequate, the quest for the good life is still the central task for mankind. Man is at last becoming aware that he alone is responsible for the realization of the world of his dreams, that he has within himself the power for its achievement. He must set intelligence and will to the task.

Humanism: A Belief with no Purpose or Objective Values
Humanism holds that the universe exists for no purpose. We are the result of a blind and random process that does not necessitate any kind of meaning. Humanism differs from the more extreme philosophy of nihilism, in that life can have a meaning if we assign a meaning to it. Life is only worth living if we ourselves make it worthwhile and enjoyable. Humanism maintains that no objective or universal values exist. A person may be moral if he or she creates a system of values and lives according them. A humanist would maintain that no one is obligated to be moral. Therefore, humanism fails to provide moral objections to immoral behavior. Obviously, if no moral absolutes exist, you can't demonstrate that anything is wrong or evil. Thus, in a humanist society, no one can really judge or condemn the choices or actions of others.

Humanism: Life Without Real Meaning
Humanism is fostered by the teaching of evolutionary science, materialism and moral relativism in our popular media and public school system. We’ve removed God from the equations. Without God, we lose any transcendent purpose for the universe in which we live. Without God, we lose any transcendent purpose to give meaning to our individual lives. We are nothing more than bugs struggling with survival until we die. All the achievements, the sacrifices, the good and beautiful acts of some people, the ugly and dark acts of others, are ultimately futile efforts of life. Without God, we lose any possibility for life after death. When you remove the hope of heaven, you remove the ultimate value and purpose of life. What difference would it really make whether we lived like a Billy Graham or an Osama Bin Laden? Everyone's fate would be the same anyway. This is the ultimate outlook of those who base their belief system on humanism. Eat, drink and be merry – for tomorrow we die. Rather bleak, we think. Investigate for yourself.



The Renaissance was initiated by the Christian Ideology that "God" commanded man to "subdue the earth", rather than the Humanistic overtures that are alluded to in Modern Science.

The masses have become so indoctrinated now a days, that they don't even realize TOE/Neo Darwinism..is nothing more than "New Age" Humanism.

Supporters of the Faith..Please explain to me how society has progressed and enhanced due to Humanistic philosophy...scientifically and Morally?


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I see, trying to make others defend their belief so that you don't have to defend yours. Interesting tactic to try and restore some respectability or false sense of superiority.

Interesting, but pretty transparent.


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I see, trying to make others defend their belief so that you don't have to defend yours. Interesting tactic to try and restore some respectability or false sense of superiority.

Interesting, but pretty transparent.


Actually I'm not trying to make anyone defend themselves..I truly want to know what you all believe the benefits Humanism has played in the scheme of things. Simple questions, and they aren't meant to prove anyone wrong or restore credibility..you take things way to personally. I don't base the opinions of myself on the "opinions" of others..so I rarely take offense to what is posted on these forums.

So rather than detract from the topic of the thread..why don't you answer the Questions K-dog. I'm very interested in hearing yours and others responses.


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Originally posted by whobdamandog
The Renaissance was initiated by the Christian Ideology that "God" commanded man to "subdue the earth", rather than the Humanistic overtures that are alluded to in Modern Science.

The masses have become so indoctrinated now a days, that they don't even realize TOE/Neo Darwinism..is nothing more than "New Age" Humanism.

Supporters of the Faith..Please explain to me how society has progressed and enhanced due to Humanistic philosophy...scientifically and Morally?

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Renaissance isn't purely about religion. You DO know that they, and you can clearly see that in the art, went back to the Greek and Roman era, right? Up to my knowledge, those geezers didn't believe in the christian god... Should I give you a list of paintings where you see the human is placed in the centre and not god and there being no relation to any religion in it either.
The new way of thinking that wasn't pure about religion...
Should I go on or will you study history?

New Age Humanism? Wait... You make it sound like a bad thing. confused
Lets go with the greatest Humanist of the Lowlands: Erasmus.
His "more rational conception of Christian doctrine, and to emancipate men's minds from the frivolous and pedantic methods of the scholastic theologians." is a bad thing? His work to study the bible in the original language and to promote learning Latin and Greek is bad too?
The abuses and follies of the various classes of society should go on without someone standing up, like he did in "The Praise of Folly"?
Should I go on about him?
Anyway, these things are bad?


And to your last: Can't answer that, I'm not religious.

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"In a world that is searching for truth and facts, the religious person is in the margin of society, wanting warmth from an organisation instead of developing their intellect."

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The source is inaccurate- talking as it is about a now long outdatted idea.

Plenty of Humanists these days believe in objective morals. That is simply a matter of philosophy.

Even those that do not, still believe in the extreme validity of moral life today. Their philisophical justifications for this vary.

The only important definition of Humanism- as opposed to simply not having a belief structure at all- is that it acknowledges no God yet believes in the importance of morality nonetheless. That is what Humanism is about.

I would also submit that it is not hugely relevant whether Humanism has benefitted Modern society or not; it;s still a valid belief, and trth has virtue gregardless of benefit to society, and I see much truth in their views.

As it is, the idea of a moral society without it being compounded by the often immoral interjections made by relgiion is great indeed- that's the benefit of the same ideal as Humanism. You can be good without religion playing a part.


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Whob...stop with your crusade on evolution vs. ID. Defend your--our--beliefs rationally and intelligently. No matter what you post here--or lots of other forums--it is going to be seen as an attempt to undermine science, force your views on others, etc. and you will be criticized and mocked for it. Let them make the threads, let them start the fight, and debate on their terms only.

And then let us die, and we will see who is correct.


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Whob...stop with your crusade on evolution vs. ID. Defend your--our--beliefs rationally and intelligently. No matter what you post here--or lots of other forums--it is going to be seen as an attempt to undermine science, force your views on others, etc. and you will be criticized and mocked for it. Let them make the threads, let them start the fight, and debate on their terms only.

And then let us die, and we will see who is correct.


I understand your point. But I'm really no trying to start a crusade. I truly would like to know why so many people believe now a days that humanistic doctrine is "beneficial" to mankind.

In regards to Ush and Yers responses..I'll reply to you all in a bit, as you can see..I've currently just finished responding in a few other threads, however I will pose you both with a few questions before I post an in depth response..

What are the benefits of moral relativity that Humanism preaches?

Doesn't moral relativity and escapism just set the stage for one to eventually be overcome by a stronger, deadlier, more imposing force?

Should our laws be based on moral relativity as well? If this is the case..what would prevent a society from becoming an anarchic one?


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because your beliefs are based on a particular religion and therefore not only states that science (or humanism, as you define it) is wrong, but that christianity and it's related faiths is somehow "more correct" than any other belief system. Btw, this might be unique to judaism (my faith), but as far as i recall, the whole story with jacob's ladder was meant to signify that blind faith is a sin and that you should test your beliefs before going along with a story in a book that has little resemblance to it's original text.


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Whob, did you even read my post?

Humanism does NOT automatically imply relativism.


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