DCnu OM had some nice feats in his initial storyline. He took on Supes, WW and Aquaman.
The powers he was using (weather manip/magical lightning) were magical which cuts down the shock and awe factor on dealing with Supes.
Namor can absorb lightning (magical? Unsure.) and has dealt with Dr. Strange level magic (breaking the Crymson Bands at least once).
He's also gone toe to toe (for the last 70+ years) with pretty much every heavy hitter in the MU, even (a de powered) In Betweener.
Orm I haven't read anything in the New52 that suggested his Weather Manipulation was magical rather then Natural so it's pure speculation unless we're assuming it's magical because Pre-Flashpoint and if we use those feats I'd definitely back Orm.
Namor has a feat of breaking out of magical bands? So what that's not an energy attack of any sort.
Yeah, but who's he beaten? Hulk and Iron Man? Those two are the biggest jobbers in Marvel..
Namor's always been a jobber to the stars. Thor, Logan, Black Panther and Cage have all handled him. He even struggled against Lei Kung the Thunderer and a Danny clone..
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Calling someone a jobber isnt a valid argument, to me.
If thats how you roll, have fun with it. You arent worth trying to have a conversation with though.
I made my call on this match. Moving on now.
That's not true at all.. You pretty much ignored all my points.
Breaking out of the bands of cyttorak doesn't mean he has a defense against offensive magical attacks that's yet to even be shown unless your suggesting Strange couldn't cast offensive spells that would work on Namor that case Dr. Fate, Zatanna and Scarlet Witch all have no change against Namor is what your suggesting?
Mlonir is a hammer full of magic are you suggesting that Namor can take a hit from Mljonir better then Superman would be able to?
Superman can be hurt by magic it doesn't mean he can't take it better then Namor could. Wonder Woman has great magic resistance so Superman taking an attack that put her down is a great showing for him if it was magical which is yet to be stated.
He's shown able to absorb lightning if you want to use the older scans but he's also been hurt by it as well with Thor.
Most of the Heavy Hitters he's fought has disregarded him for the most part as well Thor has oneshotted him in the rain, Black Bolt who was said at one point to be a close second to Hulk has disregarded him with a punch as well.
Whereas Orm he doesn't have much feats but he's never been Oneshotted by a physical powerhouse he was punched by Superman and still conscious he put strain on Superman who was seen choking.
He's held back both Superman and Wonder Woman with water in both continuities.
Namor has no defense to being teleported away or being ignited on fire.
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Initial flame burst sure but what about being continously placed on fire? Tempest has great heat resistance and even temperature control and is seen bothered by Orm burning him.
What's his options against BFR and is he really immune to lightning like some are suggesting?
Last edited by EcstaticGrace on Apr 21st, 2016 at 02:07 PM
It was against three Torches, and it was a sustained blast which ultimately put Namor down (his spinal fluid was boiling). But before that, he was taking it, IIRC.
Am sure others have the scan.
Yes, he's pretty immune to electricity (hence why in the BA thread, I didn't really mention him). He can channel the powers of all marine life, including electric eels. Needless to say, this is a pretty old, pretty rarely seen power.
So where are you when everybody's downplaying my boy Martian Manjobber?
But fair enough. Namor has a good reputation and some ok feats, but he's highly variable, and his high ends usually have caverats (Like being in the ocean against Hulk).
I can't see, say, Aquaman struggling with T'challa or Iron Fist, or Logan. Much less someone like Wonder Woman, who gets downplayed a lot but has very very nice showings against Power Girl, Supergirl, Superman.
In other words, replace Ocean Master with Namor in his stories, and imo he gets beaten down, fast.
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In Namors defence hes had very good showing vs all powerhouses. Hes fought Hulk more than once and not just in water, and has fared well. Abom, Hercules, Thor, Thing etc. Taken a point blank scream from Black Bolt and wasnt even ko'd. Took a cheap shot from Thors hammer as was up in the next panel. Everyone has low showing, sure. No doubts about that, but He has some good ones more often than not. Just sayin. Aquaman was mentioned and bullets have made him bleed on occasion..
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
What are you talking about?,
Him breaking the bands shows his magic resistance,and he took on khan,a magician as well and ripped his head off. Namor is a conduit for magic in atlantis,his blood is a strong magical ingredient,he has resisted magical attacks, is immune to lightning AND has a magical trident
Namor has been disregarded by top tiers?
He stalemates hulk regularly out of water,inside it,he has out punched him,stalemated Hercules on land,and casually overpowered him in water,stalemated thor and blue marvel,beat up rulk,KO'd BRB.
Thor knocked down a weakened namor,who was up the next page,BB knocked him into a water tank,he came back two pages later, a dry namor fought BB to a standstill and bB ran out of stamina and was forced to use his voice
Orm has taken a hit from superman and still remained conscious?...,namor has shrugged off hits from hulk,a BL thor,VOIDTRY and co.
As I recall, Kahn held Danny in the bands, despite his chi's magic resist/absorption. Although he was also tired..
Still, it's a good feat.
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There are more instances of him being disregarded by top tier characters then putting up a match against them. How consistent really is it for him to put up a fight against Thor or Hulk do you believe anyone still thinks he's capable of doing that with modern versions of Odinson and Banner?
It's nice that his blood is a strong magical ingredient so is Arthur and Orm's Posiedon has stated he hated the magic that flowed through their lineage. A lineage that has Atlan in both continuities a guy stated almost on par with Arion it's irrelevant though cause what's magic blood suppose to do here?
His trident isn't even standard gear he hardly carries around unless special world ending circumstances.
It's been said here already that he's not magic or lightning immune so points aside.
Regardless Orm has hydrokinesis capable in two different continuity able to restrain Superman and Wonder Woman at the same time as well as he could simply just send Namur away and win by BFR
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