Do people you know exist if they're not around you?
This is something I've always thought. Do my friends and stuff exist when I'm not in contact with them? How can they exist if I'm not with them? CHI-CHI-CHI CHA-CHA-CHA.....
I donīt like solipsism very much, as it is hard to explain why some things are not predictable... you know... if everything is in our mind we should be able to predict everything, but we are not.
Possibly. It's also about the idea that we can't definitely know anything outside of our own mind, which I suppose is a fact, if slightly self-proving.
There's already a thread about the tree..........It was confirmed that in it's vibrational sense that it exists even if picked up in another vibrational field that we cannot feel ourselves... ....It still exists..It fell, and was picked up by something that felt it somewhere...
Re: Do people you know exist if they're not around you?
Iv always wondered this as well, its a massive philosophical debate first proposed by Berkeley, an Irish Bishop. He believed that no object can exist unless it is being perceived, or as he put it "esse est percipi" meaning - to be is to be perceived. This is known as idealism and although it seems to be feasible (or at least i think so) there are several critical difficulties which make it, according to most other philosophers, logically impossible. If nothing can exist without being perceived then it seems that things constantly flash in and out of being, but where do they go? Berkeleys argument against this was that God perceives everything all the time and therefore objects retain a continuos existence.
So to believe in idealism you are claiming also to believe in God, and if you don't believe in God then neither can you believe the idealist theories.
Berkeley was often ridiculed for his beliefs - after talking to a friend, he was leaving when they said to him "Pray, Sir, don't leave us; for we may perhaps forget to think of you, and then you will cease to exist" Indeed, this highlights flaws in Berkeleys theory.
However, from my personal point of view, i don't see how it can be proven that things exist unperceived so why does it make sense to believe that, obviously animate objects/beings can perceive themselves and therefore prove their existence but it's impossible to know whether the cup on the table next to me exists when i close my eyes and don't perceive it in any way...no-one can ever know this, we can only assume.
__________________ Dont let anyone tell you that you're wrong. If u believe it it's true.
Aww look you couldn't stand it, you had to reply......LOL
Sound doesn't have to be heard by us though....There are many other organisms that hear it....feel it, but then we could go into a more quantum view of other dimensions and such, but then that would be off topic again.
By something that perceives vibrations as 'sound'.
You could touch the cup. If you don't, it is more logical to assume that it is still there, than to imagine you are creating it by perception. This is a trick that works on babies.
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Dec 14th, 2005 10:44 PM
They exist within their own selves, they don't need you to exist...
....It still exists..It fell, and was picked up by something that felt it somewhere...
I can if I want...I'm bored......and vibrations are also sound..........You don't reply.....end of conversation about it.
Dont let anyone tell you that you're wrong. If u believe it it's true.
