Sadow would Kill Revan? How? With his illusions? The only way I see Sadow winning against Revan is by using his amulet. In a saber/sword battle, Revan being the saber prodigy, would own him. It would come down to Revan and Kun, and more than Likely Kun would win because he CAN use the amulet blast.
I would rank Darth Revan slightly lesser than Darth Sidious, maybe on par. I don't know how to rank Naga Sadow. Don't know enough about him except what people tell me about how uber he is. Darth Bane is pretty powerful. Exar Kun, who is the winner BTW, is really good.
Revan vs. Bane- ?
Revan vs. Naga- ?
Revan vs. Kun= Kun
Kun vs. Bane= Kun
Kun vs. Naga= Kun
Naga vs. Bane= ?
If Naga Sadow is as uber mega-power as lots of people say he is, then I would say it comes between Sadow and Kun. Otherwise it might be Revan or Bane vs. Kun. How would you rank Bane by the way?
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A few months ago I would have said Sadow wins this because he's an ancient sith, but we haven't seen his supposedly extraordinary sword fighting skills, and we know Kun is a prodigy with a unique style. Darth Bane is very powerful but not as powerful as Revan.
9 and 10 should be above 7 and 8. And what about Ludo Kresh? I thought he wasn't far behind Naga, and Lord Simus not far behind Marka. 3 should be Simus, then it should be Naga/Nadd/Kresh (not Qel-Droma) and IMO Ulic should be between Revan and Bane. Why are they so pwoerful? Like what did they do that made them so powerful? Nihilus has about the strongest Force Lightning I've evr seen and has his mega Force-Drain, Sidious knows every Force ability ever and then some, everyone was scared shitless Marka, Simus got his head cut off in a duel with Marka and survived, Naga destroyed a star with the Force. I don't know much about Nadd, Kun has his amulent blasts and is a good saber dueler regardless of that, Bane has his Orbalisks, Traya has Force Drain, Revan has good saber skills and knows alot of Force Powers including Force Storm Lightning, Sidious has great manipulation skills as well as good Force and saber skills, Qel-Droma is strong like Kun but not as much (Long sentence, no sugegstions ). I dunno, not very descriptive, but I'd also put Sion in there somewhere, likely around Ulic's level.
Then lets see your top 10, Sexy. Mine goes something like this (just to be more clear):
0. Darth Nihilus
1. DE Sidious/Marka Ragnos
2. DE Sidious/Marka Ragnos
3. Lord Simus
4. Naga Sadow
5. Ludo Kresh/Freedon Nadd/Exar Kun
6. Ludo Kresh/Freedon Nadd/Exar Kun
7. Ludo Kresh/Freedon Nadd/Exar Kun
8. Darth Revan
9. Darth Traya
10. Darth Sion (probably)
Honoarble mentions: Ulic Qel-Droma, ROTS Sidious, Malak, Bane
Nihilus does NOT go up there because he is a wound in the force, because he can be defeated only by the exile, and because his drain originates from the ancient sith, so how in the world is he more powerful than them and Sidious, who drains the entire planet of Byss as a spirit.
1. DE Sidious(Only because it's confirmed)
2. Marka Ragnos(should be the undisputed ruler)
3. Simus/Sadow/Kressh
4. Exar Kun/Nadd(Kun's sith spell was nothing more than a statis field)
5. Darth Revan
6. heads up for the rest, I don't care.
His ability to inflict harm from halfway across the galaxy as a spirit, his ability to possibly kill(see the dead scholar in the Freedon Nadd Uprising), his knowledge from Naga Sadow himself, him killing Naga Sadow. Unless of course you think Kun's elite statis field type sith spell puts him above Nadd?
Spare me the cheap bullshit, Sexy. What has he done that was on par with Kun from what we know? Three things put him on Kun's level, but not Ludo's or Simus'? Why is that exactly?
So he was able to floor Vodo...great. Kun was able to kill a thousand year Jedi Master with a swipe of the hand. And one who we still know is obviously proficient in the Force by the simple fact of his Battle meditation, and stripping of the oh-so great Ancient Sith. And he still is more than suitable in that category as we did see him knock back Kun, and he trained Nomi. And I suspect to hear that he's old and hasn't practiced, but whatever. We know Kun is more than adept with Sith magic and alchemy, creating many creatures as noted "freakishly two-headed avians and hulking terentateks". And used what appeared to be Sith magic on Aleema, as the design is similar to Aleema's usage and different to the amulet blasts.
And, of course, there's always the fact Exar Kun has amulets that Nadd doesn't, which disintegrated Massassi, a Sith Wyrm, and plainly blasted through solid rock. Who's Nadd going to floor when he's missing an entire torso? But, let me ask: what do we know about Nadd's saber skills? Do we know if he's a lightsaber prodigy? Tell me a tale, is Nadd a lightsaber prodigy? Is he as good as Kun?
And do tell what the hell is a "statis field"? Some type of job expertise? I'd submit not only freezing, but apparently controlling thousands upon thousands (I'd be willing to bet a hundreds of thousands, maybe a million given the size and perspectives indoors and outdoors) of senators is a tad bit (actually a hell of a lot) more impressive than flooring Vodo while he's not even trying to defend, even as a spirit, and there's also the fact Kun was able to kill Gantoris as a 4,000 year old spirit that hadn't killed or presumably used any powers in ages.
Okay, so he "killed" Naga Sadow by means of which we do not know. Impressive, "unless, of course, you think". Not adding a sarcastic rhetoric question, keyword is THINK. He killed a Sith Lord who'd been in suspended animation for some 600 odd years, and we don't even know how he did it! But then again, I suspected there was a reason you put Sadow above Nadd. In any case, he was working with what he learned from Sadow, and what Sadow had. How much, however, we don't know. Kun had the opportunity of learning from both Nadd and Sadow, but whatever. Doesn't matter.
So, I'll ask again, what exactly puts that yahoo Freedon Nadd next to Exar Kun?
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Someone still has a hard time grasping the difference between a force ghost and an undead spirit. Don't see how that concept has eluded you.. Kun's sith creations make him powerful how? I don't ever recall putting Nadd on par with Kun because that's impossible because we know very little about Nadd, but from what we know I would put him in the same league as Kun. I'd also like to point out that Nadd DID learn from Sadow and WAS powerful enough to kill him.
Ah yes the amulets. Then why don't we just put kun>all because of his amulet that's proven so powerful against living force users.. Oh wait.. But it's nice how you are comparing a force ghost to a living DLOTS in this aspect.
YOu're going to go all technical on me now? He FROZE the senate. A statis field freezes people. Did we not have this whole discussion about the technicalities of him freezing and/or controlling? Frozen and forced to watch=/controlling. And again I reiterate my point about Kun being an undead spirit, not a simple force ghost as you'd like to believe.
1.) Let me see here, could it be because no one has a clue what you babble on about?
2.) "Still has". "Still has"? For that to be correct I'd have to have heard the difference/explanation for whatever you're talking about, and/or refuted/replied about it. Since I haven't, you clearly are mistaken.
Did I say they make him into an uber god? It's just the fact he has shown that he can use Sith alchemy to a astounding degree in a short amount of time, mainly his capability for learning.
Based on what? I'm going to say this plain and simple:
Where. Is. Your. Argument. Question. Mark.
Well? He's done three things and he's now in the same league as Exar? Puh-leaze, we've seen much more impressive things from Exar.
I'd also like to point out that obviously someone needs a bit of help on there reading comprehension and/or needs to equip their spectacles:
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Tell me, when did I ever say he didn't learn from Sadow? I actually said he did; however, I posed the question of just how much and what did he do with it (in terms of what powers, e.g. Exar freezing the Senate).
Seriously, there's nothing for you to point out, because ultimately you're just like a repeating number.
Am I like, in an alternate universe where stuff I plainly posted doesn't appear on other people's screens?
^ Read. Carefully. And reply accordingly. How did he kill Sadow? Was it a sneak betrayal? Straight out fight? I want this answered by the end of the period, if it's not on my screen within the alotted time, you'll be serving a detention.
It's nice how you are comparing a guy we've only seen do a few things, one of them totally unknown, to Exar Kun. And why would I put Kun > all when that's clearly not the case nor have I ever said his amulets would decimate every single being that ever lived? They are useful no matter what you spit out. Shall I just assume everyone can block them?
And how would it matter if it was the Sith magic equivalent to a stasis field or not? Seriously, tell me what that has to do with anything? Oh? Nothing? Alright. The fact of the matter is he was able to do it to hundreds of thousands of Senators without so much as one Jedi noticing he did it. That is more impressive than anything Freedon has ever done that we know of.
Again, stasis field or not - relevance is....? Zero? If, for an extreme example, Luke were to Force push twenty thousand men would it be less of a feat because it's a Force push?
Short answer: No.
Well, I do remember having that conversation, in which you said:
So, what are you rambling on about now?
What the hell are you even talking about? First of all, do you think maybe you could explain your little ghost stories and campfire tales considering the fact I've never even heard this brought up? Secondly, I wouldn't "like to believe" either, you dolt, because I wasn't aware there was even another alternative. And then, I'll simply ask: what does it matter? How does this affect what they can/can't do?
So, I'll simply end with: Uh, no.
EDIT: Actually, nevermind on what an undead spirit is. As I'm pretty sure I get the idea, however, I still want to know what does it matter? How does this affect what they can/can't do?
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That's why he's #0. Cause he's not really a Sith, just a void, but he could beat DE Sidious. Nihilus drained a planet, too. When did Palpatine drain Byss as a spirit?
Sep 20th, 2006 01:17 AM
). I dunno, not very descriptive, but I'd also put Sion in there somewhere, likely around Ulic's level.
