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NEW YORK (CNN) -- What the hell happened? Where did we go wrong? How was Christianity co-opted by a political party? Why are Christians supporting laws that force others to live by their standards? The answers to these questions are integral to the survival of Christianity.

While the current state of Christianity might seem normal and business-as-usual to some, most see through the judgment and hypocrisy that has permeated the church for so long. People witness this and say to themselves, "Why would I want to be a part of that?" They are turned off by Christians and eventually, to Christianity altogether. We can't even count the number of times someone has given us a weird stare or completely brushed us off when they discover we work for a church.

So when did the focus of Christianity shift from the unconditional love and acceptance preached by Christ to the hate and condemnation spewed forth by certain groups today? Some say it was during the rise of Conservative Christianity in the early 1980s with political action groups like the Moral Majority. Others say it goes way back to the 300s, when Rome's Christian Emperor Constantine initiated a set of laws limiting the rights of Roman non-Christians. Regardless of the origin, one thing is crystal clear: It's not what Jesus stood for.

His parables and lessons were focused on love and forgiveness, a message of "come as you are, not as you should be." The bulk of his time was spent preaching about helping the poor and those who are unable to help themselves. At the very least, Christians should be counted on to lend a helping hand to the poor and others in need.

This brings us to the big issues of American Christianity: Abortion and gay marriage. These two highly debatable topics will not be going away anytime soon. Obviously, the discussion centers around whether they are right or wrong, but is the screaming really necessary? After years of witnessing the dark side of religion, Marc and I think not.

Christians should be able to look past their differences and agree to disagree. This allows people to discuss issues with respect for one another. Christians are called to love others just as they are, without an agenda. Only then will Christianity see a return to its roots: Loving God with all of your heart and loving your neighbor as yourself.

The Apostle Paul describes this idea of love beautifully in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7: "Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance."

But don't take our word for it; look at what Jesus and his followers stood for in his time and what Christianity stands for today. Then come to your own conclusion.

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Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
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so what do you think? I think they're right on. I have nothing against Christians, but it's really gone too far for some. Certain groups and individuals are in need of serious reform.

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Originally posted by FeceMan
Oh, man, and here I was under the impression that secular humanists could do just as much screaming and forcing of people to live under their standards.

Good thing that got cleared up!

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Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Unlike you Feceman, I dont tell people how to live thier fkn lives.


Unlike most Christians, secular humanists don't condemn people for this personal actions nor do they demand anyone else live a different lifestyle....they only demand mutual respect and civility.


Conservative Christians are generally INVASIVE, judgemental, uptight, and closed minded

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Originally posted by muslimscholar
those who are not told how to live the life end up being rapists murderers and pedophiles and serial killers coz they don't know wats right and whats wrong

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Originally posted by muslimscholar
Oh, really?

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Originally posted by muslimscholar
Tell me, Urizen--when was the last time you condemned a Christian for saying that an action was sinful?

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Originally posted by muslimscholar
What was the last time you condemned a Christian for believing that something was wrong, no ifs, ands, or buts about it? When was the last time you told a Christian that his beliefs on morality didn't matter one whit and you told him to stop telling people how to live their lives?

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Originally posted by muslimscholar
Tell me, Urizen--when was the last you told a Christian that his old-fashioned views had no place in society? When was the last time you told a Christian to sit down, shut up, and keep his religion out of his political beliefs? When was the last time you condemned and dismissed a conservative Christian as nothing more than a "whacked-out" fundamentalist? When was the last time you condemned Christians for any evils done in the name of Christianity?

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Originally posted by muslimscholar
Tell me, Urizen--when was the last time you made a broad, sweeping generalization about Christian evangelicals?

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Originally posted by Lord Urizen
OH SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY , YOU KNOW NOTHING

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Originally posted by muslimscholar
also wen a peson got nufin to say he starts swearing
and u know everything with no guidance no religon a person lost in the wolrd no where to turn to

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Originally posted by FeceMan
*Snorts.*

So what you're saying is "lol I don't do any of these things except I do."

And you have yet to see any form of indignance from me. If you do actually manage to piss me off, you'll know it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You swore before I had dumbass.....



If what you say is true, then how come both CHRISTIANS and MUSLIMS are are responsible for MORE DEATHS than any other organization has been, throughout ALL OF HISTORY ?



You honestly believe that people who are not religious become serial killers or rapists? ARE YOU ON FKN CRACK ?



You really beleive that NO Christians or Muslims have ever killed, raped, tortured, or hurt anyone ?






You're a TOTAL idiot..plain and clear. I don't HAVE TO ARGUE this, because ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN can see that your generalization is non-factual.

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Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Oh please Feceman, you insult me ALL THE TIME....stop being a hypocrite...oh wait....that's the MAIN aspect of Christianity...hypocrisy...sorry, that's too much to ask of you because it's an integral part of your religion.

My bad....

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I am basically saying that I do NOT TELL PEOPLE HOW TO LIVE THIER LIVES

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That was my ONLY point, and you have not proven me wrong, instead you try to dance around it by accusing me of doing other things, which I over all admitted to doing.

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Originally posted by muslimscholar
wen did i swear?

also yes no proper muslim or proper christian has raped or killed for no reason because they know they will be questioned in life after death

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Originally posted by FeceMan
Oh, snap, you are so witty.

You bring the insults upon yourself. I suppose that, if I were to go around constantly hammering the people of KMC with comments about how I wanted to suck off Zeus, I would deserve insults, too.

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Originally posted by FeceMan
Ah, but you would tell me that I ought not do so.

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Originally posted by FeceMan
Hah.

Anyway, let us examine this concept of "telling people how to live."

In fact, let us take an example that might not have anythging to do with religion: abortion.

Some people think it is a woman's right to abort a fetus at will. Some people think that life begins at conception and thus it is morally wrong to abort a fetus. Some of the people in this latter group feel so strongly about it that they believe that abortion should be illegal.

Of course, the usual response to this is, "Don't tell me how to live--if you don't want an abortion, don't have one."

This, however, ignores the view that abortion is so morally reprehensible that it ought to be illegal, period. To those that find abortion morally wrong to such an extent, killing a fetus would be like killing an infirm elderly person for the sake of convenience. This, according to most people, is a wrong act--so wrong, in fact, that it is illegal. Thus, they believe that abortion should be illegal.

Now go away.

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Originally posted by Lord Urizen
This was too long to read, so i refuse to read it

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Originally posted by FeceMan
Translated from retard, this reads, "Wow, FeceMan, that gave me a new perspective on the situation. However, despite it being written intelligently and challenging my viewpoint, I'll pretend as though I didn't read it so that I'm not obligated to respond."

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Originally posted by Lord Urizen
No, i was trying to be nice.


IT actually translates to, "Feceman.....stop shitting out of your mouth please"

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Originally posted by FeceMan
If I shit out of my mouth, then your face must be one giant rectum.

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Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Well, my face DOES come into contact with a lot of rectums if that is what you mean.....

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But, ne ways, your analogy using Abortion is totally flawed.

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Telling someone your opinion of right and wrong is not the same thing as telling them how to live thier life. You tell people what they should beleive, what kind of lifestyles they should lead, what choices they should make, that your morality is correct while thiers is not, etc.