WarHulk's proof that physical ("celestial tech enhanced") might will overcome Cyttorak's charm, thus this inevitably will resolve to Hulk's favour. eventually.
the issue is whether Hulk gets the time to get so strong and/or is motivated enough to clobber Juggernaut.
don't think Juggernaut has anything in his arsenal that he can do to Hulk, to permanently put him out of commission but, he could definitely knock out some versions of The Hulk and that's as close to a victory as it gets with many super powered characters.
I think it would be a stalemate with not an advantage on ether side. I believe if Hulk got mad enough he might be able to shatter Juggs force field. One reason why I believe that. Source from respect Hulk thread
quite a lot of characters possess the physical strength to knock out The Hulk.
it's just that, realistically, unless the juggernaut blindsides him or tricks him, The Hulk is going to shake off all of juggernaut's attacks and give himself the mental stimulation necessary to grow far too strong for the juggernaut to combat.
I don't know your talking about a guy who knocked out Thing & Colossus with less then 5 punches each. Your also talking about somebody who walking towards Thor backhanded Thor and sent him flying what look like maybe 100 yards and he was flying back at pretty vast speed
It wasn't Hulks power that stopped Juggernaut. It was the power of the Celestials, Apoc made a direct comment about it. Besides, Juggernaut's durability is far greater than his forward momentum field.
Even if Hulk could damage Juggernaut, Juggs isn't going to be knocked out. Cain can exist just as a skeleton and still be able to move without any major organs.
That was because of a magic attack as well. So Cain's healing factor would probably heal that right up.
Juggernaut's force field is not the same as the Crimson bands. Also, the Crimson Bands are only as strong as the user can make them. Dr. Strang isn't going to be making them as strong as Cyttorak.
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the juggernaut doesn't pose any offensive threat to The Hulk, because of the significantly superior speed and mobility of The Hulk, it is quite likely that a version of The Hulk will simply dodge the attacks and grow stronger and stronger and stronger (and proportionately more resilient, durable, energetic and larger) ...
since the juggernaut can be knocked back and knocked out (Onslaught), that The Hulk will attain the level of physical power necessary to overcome all aspects of Cyttorak's charm and thus extinguish the juggernaut.
that's what I'm getting at. once we accept that the juggernaut's curse can be physically countered (the celestially enhanced WarHulk) it only becomes a question of how much physical force does it take to get the job done. and in The Hulk, we have a character with the ability to exert infinite physical force.
What Im saying is that Hulk has overpowered the Cyttorak protective abilities on Cain before, and has even stopped Jugg's supposedly Cyttorak powered unstoppable forward momentum.
Nevertheless... As I said, I still chalk this fight up as STALEMATE. Jugg's lifeforce is protected Magically(Not counting the recent stuff with Juggernaut and the Cyttorak) And Juggernaut does not have to power needed to overpower Hulk. Part of the problem is that Hulk is too dumb to understand that Juggernaut is invulnerable.
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Cyttorak has more going for him that just physical strength (magic is quite useful)
Hulk has never overpowered the enchantment that protects Juggy he just used a Judo style move to redirect Juggy's momentum (and even that took the help of tech he no longer has)
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When I first got to this forum, this is the Topic I dove into first. In the beginning, I eagerly grabbed my Hulk #172 (I think that's it, where he fights Juggernaut after their prison break), and claimed all day that Hulk would beat Juggernaut.
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I was mistaken. Other than BFR, it should be near impossible for Hulk to pull any sort of win against Juggernaut. It's widely known that Classical Juggernaut is IMPERVIOUS to physical damage. IMO, Hulk is stronger, can get stronger faster, and will always be more physically powerful than Juggernaut, but it actually doesn't help him int his fight.
I thought this fight would be a stalemate forever, but after thinking about it rationally for a few weeks, reading some of my books, I compromised that with Juggernauts impressive strength, EVENTUALLY he would land something that would take Hulk out. Not kill him, no, because it's also IMO that Hulk can't be killed by physical means, but he would have sufficient force to knock him out, even if it was for a few seconds before he got up again. That would be a win.
As far as the movement.... there was no jeudo move involved... I know this argument comes up evertime regarding them... When it shows movement (dust kicking into the air) then the dust settling (IE movement has stopped) then Juggernauts Close up surprise (validation that he has stopped) THEN a tenticle going to his legs and flinging him off... it seems there was a lack of juggs walking.. hulk stopped him.
As for this whole Tech Business... is everyone positive he was inhanced by the celestial tech? I just reread the issue and it seems as if Apoc said "using this tech, I found Hulk was an integral part of the future" not "with this tech I hereby grant you the power to stop the juggernaut". I don't know... I really could be wrong. It just seems to me that he blocked up hulks mind...
Even if possible, Hulk being "KO'd for a few seconds" is no different than simply being knocked down for a few moments. too short of a timeframe to declare victory.
The fight would still go on, I just predict that Juggernaut would get bored before Hulk would....and if not, Hulk get SO pissed, and would end up eventually with so much power he would knock Juggernaut into some other State - breaking up the fight for weeks, unless Hulk tried to pursue.
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