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Power Primordial vs Power Cosmic

Which one would you say is more powerful?

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I define it in the "comic book questions" thread.


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I define it in the "comic book questions" thread.


Must have been a long time ago,search is coming up empty?
i have my own thoughts i wanted to compare it to yours,any links available?


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There's supposed to be equal, afaik, but no one with any level of skill has ever used the PP.


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The only time i remember reading about the Power Primordial was in an issue where some alien obtains it followed by the Surfer handing him his ass. So... if i were to make a conclusion from that one issue i would say Power cosmic is more powerful. As you can see i dont have much evidence save that one issue to back my statement, but its just my view. Im sure someone else can be much more informative.


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The only time i remember reading about the Power Primordial was in an issue where some alien obtains it followed by the Surfer handing him his ass. So... if i were to make a conclusion from that one issue i would say Power cosmic is more powerful. As you can see i dont have much evidence save that one issue to back my statement, but its just my view. Im sure someone else can be much more informative.


All of the Elders are powered by the PP. They all basicly suck and haven't shown much in terms of ways to use the PP.


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So i was right...lol nice thanx


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Except the Runner Can beat pretty much any Herald. And Champion Used to be able to beat anyone's ass. So It depends on how the Elder choses to use thier power.


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Except the Runner Can beat pretty much any Herald. And Champion Used to be able to beat anyone's ass. So It depends on how the Elder choses to use thier power.


Yes but heralds only have a fraction of the power cosmic. At its full strength the Power cosmic is equal to a fully fed Galactus which we all know is way beyond Runner and Champion.


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And Champion Used to be able to beat anyone's ass.
Except She-Hulk. wink


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This thread doesnt make sense.

The Power Cosmic is an ability i.e the ability to absorb and re-channel ambient cosmic energy for a variety of effects

Whilst the Power Primordial is a power source. One that derives from the Big Bang.


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Power Cosmic. Galactus literally consumed the elders.


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This thread doesnt make sense.

The Power Cosmic is an ability i.e the ability to absorb and re-channel ambient cosmic energy for a variety of effects

Whilst the Power Primordial is a power source. One that derives from the Big Bang.

As much as that makes sense, the Power Cosmic is a power source too, probably deriving from the big bang.

Marvel has made the big bang a real **** for power sources haven't they? Yikes.


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I think the power primordial was the energy from the first big bang,a pure form of cosmic power...this is from my days of roleplaying the marvel system...its not comics but i thought i would chime in


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it's not a question that can really be answered because both can be wielded to varying degrees.

there are a couple of things that are known about each that make them seem very much the same to me:

the PP is essentially the 'big bang' energy (which is also the power source for the infinity gems), harnessed by the elders. the elders seem to be able to tap directly into the very foundational power of the universe.

the PC originates in galactus, but who granted that power to galactus? eternity. and what is eternity? the sentience of the universe.

so, the elders tap into the power that BIRTHED eternity, galactus was given power by the being who embodies the universe. it would seem the only difference between them is a degree of seperation -- PP taps DIRECTLY into the universe's essential foundation. PC does the same, but through GALACTUS who was allowed access to a similar power source (eternity's OWN power) by eternity.

at their most basic points, they seem to me to be the same power, working through different conduits. erm because of that, neither power is inherently 'greater', but rather the winner would simply depend on who had access to the greater amount, and who had the greater skill at wielding whichever power.


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it's not a question that can really be answered because both can be wielded to varying degrees.

there are a couple of things that are known about each that make them seem very much the same to me:

the PP is essentially the 'big bang' energy (which is also the power source for the infinity gems), harnessed by the elders. the elders seem to be able to tap directly into the very foundational power of the universe.

the PC originates in galactus, but who granted that power to galactus? eternity. and what is eternity? the sentience of the universe.

so, the elders tap into the power that BIRTHED eternity, galactus was given power by the being who embodies the universe. it would seem the only difference between them is a degree of seperation -- PP taps DIRECTLY into the universe's essential foundation. PC does the same, but through GALACTUS who was allowed access to a similar power source (eternity's OWN power) by eternity.

at their most basic points, they seem to me to be the same power, working through different conduits. erm because of that, neither power is inherently 'greater', but rather the winner would simply depend on who had access to the greater amount, and who had the greater skill at wielding whichever power.


Outside of Runner trashing Thanos I'd like to see a single feat that demonstrates the potential of the PP. All in all we really have no idea what the PP can do except maybe extend your life.


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Outside of Runner trashing Thanos I'd like to see a single feat that demonstrates the potential of the PP. All in all we really have no idea what the PP can do except maybe extend your life.
Even the Runner/Thanos battle isn't really a good way to gauge the PP, imo.

Because we don't know for sure how often Runner was subconsciously using the Space Gem during that fight.


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Even the Runner/Thanos battle isn't really a good way to gauge the PP, imo.

Because we don't know for sure how often Runner was subconsciously using the Space Gem during that fight.


Well then the time he thrashed Surfer.

In fact using the Elders at all is pointless because we don't know what powers they possess independently (does the PP give Runner his "likeability aura"?)


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Well then the time he thrashed Surfer.
Yeah, that's that only instance I could think of as well, [with the occasional Champion or Grandmaster feat].

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In fact using the Elders at all is pointless because we don't know what powers they possess independently
I agree, for the most part.

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(does the PP give Runner his "likeability aura"?)
Maybe.


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Outside of Runner trashing Thanos I'd like to see a single feat that demonstrates the potential of the PP. All in all we really have no idea what the PP can do except maybe extend your life.

Well it's not much, but here's the Champion using it to throw Thor, Hulk, Sasquatch, Wonderman, Namor, Colossus, Doc Sampson, and Thing for a loop…
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4770/vsheroesig6.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/...sheroes2lo5.jpg


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